Appropriate therapy

NAS18906 said:

I'll agree with Deepthought that TA is a useful technique to help to learn some social skills. It isn't a therapy, as I understand it, but it is exactly the sort of thing that someone with autism would benefit from being aware of. I guess that a lot of non-autistic people would find a lot of TA obvious although I have seen a lot of workplace intreractions that dismally fail to get to the desirable Adult-Adult goal.

In that a 'therapy' is defined as being; a 'treatment intended to relieve or heal a disorder', and that you continue to state as follows:

For a person with depression and autism it may be possible for the person to achieve something by improving their people skills with TA as a part of that. If your skills are enhanced then one's self esteem should improve and that should help combat depression.

You have in effect described firstly that TA is not a therapy, but 'a useful technique', and then secondly you have gone on to explain your proposal for what in effect 'should' in your opinion make it a viable therapy - as 'that should help combat depression.'

As far as the 'desirable Adult-Adult goal' goes - that isn't really the desirable objective of TA, as the objective is to assist the patient in achieving their personal objective/s; as in accordance with their individual skill sets and at their particular pace.

The basic objective then is for the patient to achieve a more psychologically balanced Parent, Adult and Child ego-state coherence, as allows a healthier consensus of their feelings, their thoughts and their actions, and this as such enables them to achieve more integrally productive outcomes.

The CBT/DBT approach would approach things on a different level.

CBT is more focused upon the presentation of Personae; involving cognitive methodologies for the sake of social integrations and status with and without others 'conservatively' - as in the sense of maintaining the collective transactional impetus, and TA is more focused upon the manifestation of Personality; involving characteristic traits for the sake of personal individuation and contentment as with and or without others 'innovatively' - as in the sense of the individual developing their interactive impetus. 

These therapies should challenge the mindset whereby people with autism are often too quick to categorise things as black or white, true or false, when the real world often has much vaguer and less categorical views of things.

Although CBT and TA as therapies may 'challenge' the mindset of the patient, it is better to address (at least from the TA perspective) the irregularities of their mindset as they are made relevant, rather than the therapist go all Parent and or Child on them in terms of being challenging. Adult exemplication and interaction is the key really.  

Being too categorical is a common pre-cursor to mental health issues. See essex-behavioural-therapy.co.uk/article.asp (This is a fairly random pick from Google, I have no connection with that website)

NAS18906 said:

I'll agree with Deepthought that TA is a useful technique to help to learn some social skills. It isn't a therapy, as I understand it, but it is exactly the sort of thing that someone with autism would benefit from being aware of. I guess that a lot of non-autistic people would find a lot of TA obvious although I have seen a lot of workplace intreractions that dismally fail to get to the desirable Adult-Adult goal.

In that a 'therapy' is defined as being; a 'treatment intended to relieve or heal a disorder', and that you continue to state as follows:

For a person with depression and autism it may be possible for the person to achieve something by improving their people skills with TA as a part of that. If your skills are enhanced then one's self esteem should improve and that should help combat depression.

You have in effect described firstly that TA is not a therapy, but 'a useful technique', and then secondly you have gone on to explain your proposal for what in effect 'should' in your opinion make it a viable therapy - as 'that should help combat depression.'

As far as the 'desirable Adult-Adult goal' goes - that isn't really the desirable objective of TA, as the objective is to assist the patient in achieving their personal objective/s; as in accordance with their individual skill sets and at their particular pace.

The basic objective then is for the patient to achieve a more psychologically balanced Parent, Adult and Child ego-state coherence, as allows a healthier consensus of their feelings, their thoughts and their actions, and this as such enables them to achieve more integrally productive outcomes.

The CBT/DBT approach would approach things on a different level.

CBT is more focused upon the presentation of Personae; involving cognitive methodologies for the sake of social integrations and status with and without others 'conservatively' - as in the sense of maintaining the collective transactional impetus, and TA is more focused upon the manifestation of Personality; involving characteristic traits for the sake of personal individuation and contentment as with and or without others 'innovatively' - as in the sense of the individual developing their interactive impetus. 

These therapies should challenge the mindset whereby people with autism are often too quick to categorise things as black or white, true or false, when the real world often has much vaguer and less categorical views of things.

Although CBT and TA as therapies may 'challenge' the mindset of the patient, it is better to address (at least from the TA perspective) the irregularities of their mindset as they are made relevant, rather than the therapist go all Parent and or Child on them in terms of being challenging. Adult exemplication and interaction is the key really.  

Being too categorical is a common pre-cursor to mental health issues. See essex-behavioural-therapy.co.uk/article.asp (This is a fairly random pick from Google, I have no connection with that website)