keeping up appearances

To most people "Keeping up appearances" is a situation comedy about someone trying to be a socialite (candlelit dinner parties) when they are neither competent at it, nor able to aspire to it without causing mayhem for everyone around them.

However it also highlights something non-autistic people do a lot, especially in the work place. The have to try to act out the role they are playing, partly to detach themselves from the people they provide a service for, and partly to impress on people that they have the knowledge and authority that goes with the job.

My reason for raising it is I think it is a fundamental barrier to people on the autistic spectrum succeeding in the workplace. If I am reading things right autism makes it difficult to give the appearance that employers expect as part of the job. Managers need to act like they are in charge, and know what they are doing, and have everything under control. A manager who cannot put this over risks losing control/respect.

My main work background is that of a lecturer/teacher/tutor. OK there's a myth that any lecturer claiming to be on the spectrum has "designer aspergers" as if there was ever any remotest advantage in doing so!

In such a job you are expected to live up to certain intellectual expectations and give the impression that you know all the answers and you can hold a detached stance on things (which is ridiculous because it immediately puts you out of reach of the people you are trying to teach - professional detachment isn't good teaching, in my view).

The media charicature of this is perhaps Endeavour/Morse/Lewis dealing with Oxford academics, who all talk in a very ponderous, timed and effete way. Even when engaging student enthusiasm in a seminar they are still behaving like a pompous twit. I was in more mundane university situations, but you are still expected to be intellectually convincing and distant. I've encountered lecturers who pretend to be manicuring their nails while talking to you, as if to convey superiority, and that your questions are tiresome to someone preoccupied with knowledge.

Trouble is I could never do this - owing to my social skills and my manner of interjecting into conversations. I cannot do airs and graces - I've just got one basic talking mode. Great when talking to students because it removed the barriers, but really got up the noses of senior academics who felt I wasn't maintaining my distance, and wasn't being intellectual enough. Also I'm normally clumsy, shifty eye contact, lose track of conversations, often confused and needing to ask for clarification - basically completely failing to give any impression of being intellectual - in short a professional embarrassment.

Also contributing to discussion tends to be "off the wall". When I try to speak there's a rotation sensation in my head, and my eyes feel funny, and I sort of detach from the context. Sometimes, because I can synthesise and express ideas clearly and effectively, this is very successful. But it isn't reliable. Sometimes, partly due to steress, it all misfires, and nonsense comes out, or I have to repeat a sentence several times, and it basically looks bad. Lifelong advice has been better to keep quiet, but in a profession expecting knowledgeable insight I shouldn't be holding back.

I have to say I don't know whether this is down to autistic spectrum or some other cause. There isn't much written about it (there isn't much written about autism in the workplace though). But it did affect my career. There were certain situations I needed to avoid, if I wasn't actually kept out the picture, because my mannerisms and utterances didn't give the right impression. I cannot "keep up appearances".

I posted this therefore because I'm wondering if it makes sense to others here. I've not seen keeping up professional appearances discussed much in the literature on autism. Maybe I'm just attributing something completely irrelevant to autism because I think it fits.

But I do wonder if it could be a major barrier to people on the spectrum keeping in work. Not being able to act out the expected role play and mannerisms for a job, could be held against an employee.

Any views or insights please?

  • professional manner, power games, politics - all those things have completely defeated me in trying to get on in academia,and any other jobs - even cleaning...although (I hate to say it), intellectually I've only very rarely come across anyone able to keep up with me, and fewer big enough to say so. Hugely frustrating. And of course, given that I don't work in academia any more, so easy for everyone to dismiss me as just talking 'sour grapes' because I failed.

    So I'm an independent outsider - not a great place to be really. I can see why I'm going to struggle getting a diagnosis LOL.

    I responded to this because it describes so exactly one part of what I have been through - these and many other stories have convinced me, after coming here in a state of 'No, it can't be.....I'm not, surely'..that I really am autistic.

    Must get onto that referal stuff again soon *sigh*.

    Nice to hear from you Procrastinator.

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    Interesting thread. I never quite understood what it is others do that makes them come across so professionally. Something about taking themselves seriously and exuding authority and a strong belief in oneself? It does indeed seem like rollplay. But what is it based on?

    I feel I'm not taken seriously because I don't behave in the professional manner expected of me (it also makes me feel childish, as I am aware I am not doing what is expected, but I can't fake it). I think I am too honest and can't make my emotions different to what they are - if I'm unsure I'm unsure, if I'm enthusiastic or I suddenly have and idea, that's what you get.

    There are also power games in most jobs. I become aware of their existence when flagrant things happen. But usually the manipulation is quite subtle and is probably visible through the cliques that form along the influence lines.

    I suppose the good thing is that, not understanding the game, you don't get sucked into it in the same way, so ultimately you are independent because you are an outsider.

  • Hi Longman,

    i can completely relate to what you are saying about not being able to do airs and graces. I left a job recently as my boss kept telling me off for being too blunt and being unprofessional. He was a University professor and wanted everything to be verbose and vague so he could later change his mind. It was all about manipulation and control and playing mind games.

    I could get along with so many people by being very clear and to the point in my communication, but not with my boss and the other academics. I left that environment now and am very glad I did. 

    I am in a new job now where I hope my bluntness combined with my ability to get work done will be appreciated.

  • longman said:

     I cannot do airs and graces - I've just got one basic talking mode. Great when talking to students because it removed the barriers, but really got up the noses of senior academics who felt I wasn't maintaining my distance, and wasn't being intellectual enough. Also I'm normally clumsy, shifty eye contact, lose track of conversations, often confused and needing to ask for clarification - basically completely failing to give any impression of being intellectual - in short a professional embarrassment.

    Also contributing to discussion tends to be "off the wall". When I try to speak there's a rotation sensation in my head, and my eyes feel funny, and I sort of detach from the context. Sometimes, because I can synthesise and express ideas clearly and effectively, this is very successful. But it isn't reliable. Sometimes, partly due to steress, it all misfires, and nonsense comes out, or I have to repeat a sentence several times, and it basically looks bad. Lifelong advice has been better to keep quiet, but in a profession expecting knowledgeable insight I shouldn't be holding back.

    I have to say I don't know whether this is down to autistic spectrum or some other cause. There isn't much written about it (there isn't much written about autism in the workplace though). But it did affect my career. There were certain situations I needed to avoid, if I wasn't actually kept out the picture, because my mannerisms and utterances didn't give the right impression. I cannot "keep up appearances".

    This is my experience exactly during and after my phd. I now run a junkshop. ;-)

  • Thanks stateofindependence that's a good illustration.

    I've certainly been in that sort of situation myself. You are expected to make it look hard, so they are not made to feel shown up - but then that's deception surely.

    I worked for a company in the late 80s for whom I had to write reports. I had previously been taught to be concise. I was hauled in after my first report and asked if I was trying to make a fool of them. They actually preferred reports to be unintelligibly wordy and difficult to read.

  • I used to get that in a previous job (IT). Was warned by one colleague that I shouldn't make anything look too easy, as some users found it threatening. Didn't understand what they meant. Then one time was called out to a problem a senior manager was having with some software, which was bringing up a specific error I wasn't familiar with. So I did the obvious thing and googled it. Turned out to be a 2 second fix, and thought they would be happy they could now get on with their work. Instead, they said accusingly "I could have done that myself!". I resisted the urge to say "why didn't you then?", and went back to the office thinking job done.. only to find that they had called my manager to make a complaint about professionalism.