Feeling angry, upset and confused

I had a horrible emotional experience today.

I facilitate an Asperger book club which is struggling to recruit members. We did have eight members orginally, but we are now down to two members, other than myself. The two members are a person with Asperger's (who I get on with quite well), and his mum. The mum is quite domineering, and is very socially inclined - the prototypical extroverted 'neurotypical', if you will.

Anyway, today I turned up for book club as usual - book club runs once a month. At today's meeting the Librarian turned up to advise us on how we could better advertise the group, in order to recruit more members. I was feeling quite upbeat, and wanted to remain positive. However, the mum started having a go at me, telling me that I needed to be more proactive about recruiting more members - ''it is all very well us sitting here, but you really need to do something and send out emails'', she said, in an obviously angry tone of voice, while hurling accusatory glances in my direction. She said that all the ideas she had had about getting the group up and running, like having the group at her house and me coming round for tea, or the group playing Badminton, had not materialised. She told me I could bring my Dad to the book club, despite the fact I had already told her that this is out of the question - I like to do things independently and don't like to involve my parents in my voluntary activities; private and public are quite separate domains for me.  I reiterated this point, and she said that ''you never do anything with anyone!''. This made me feel upset because (a) this is not entirely true, but (b) it does have some truth - I am  friendless and like my own company. However, she touched on a weak spot, and I could feel my heart pounding in my chest. I then told her she was being rude and that it felt like she was 'having a go at me'. She replied by saying ''you are being rude!'', and it felt like a fairly heated argument was brewing. When she said to me 'what are you doing', I replied by saying ''and what are you doing'' - maybe this did come across as rude, but I think she was being rude in the first instance - her mood was foul from the start. I kept on saying ''let's remain positive and calm'', while I was feeling anything but calm - but I wanted to try and reduce the tension, and I hate confrontation. Eventually, though, I could take no more, and simply walked out of the room on the verge of tears, which I managed to repress. Yet it has taken me a good hour for the anger and injustice of what happened to fully dissipate.

It feels like, despite having a son with Asperger's, she does not really get the Asperger condition. Maybe I do forget to send emails out to members and things, but organisation is not my forte. I cannot help having these weaknesses, yet it was me who set up the book club in the first place. I can't expect any credit for this from her, though, although she always waxes lyrical about how fantastic her son is!.

Was I right to walk out in a situation where I wanted to tell her she was right old*****?

  • Thanks for the link. Any suggestions for book club books are  more than welcome Smile

    At this point in time my biggest priority is moving the book club on from the parlous state of affairs it is in, if, indeed, it is actually salvageable.

    I am thinking about emailing my supervisor early next week to let her know what happened on Thursday, and to ask for her advice. I am not going to contact the domineering woman directly, and I don't think I could handle sitting in a room with her again. I am hoping there are grounds for her exclusion, on the basis that she broke a ground rule by being so confrontational. The Librarian is a useful witness, and she phoned me up after the incident to check that I was okay; she herself said that what happened was 'awful', and I get the impression that she was appalled by the woman's behaviour as well.

  • Former Member
    Former Member

    Hope,

    Can I recommend a book for your book club?

    www.amazon.co.uk/.../

    I've been listening to this on a cd audiobook. It is an amazing story about a neuroscientist who recovers from a major stroke. She describes how she recovered and reprogrammed her brain. There is a lot of stuff about left brain vs right brain functions but the biggest bit of the story is about how the brain can recover and move its functions from a damaged area of the brain to other areas.

  • Former Member
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    One of the things that strikes me about your description of her is that it all seems to be her fault. This actually rings bells with things that I have done where I have come up against bad bosses. I tend to blame them for situations and wail about the unreasonableness of the situation. One thing I'm learning to understand is that I can learn to tolerate more and also I can try to manipulate them into being nicer to me.

    There is nothing to be gained by being angry, you will only hurt yourself. So, if she goes off on a rant then you might try to let it go and smile and just say that you are sorry but you don't agree and try not to take it personally. This is hard, particularly for us aspies as these rants do seem very personal. Can you try to think that she can't help being like that and that, if anything, she is to be pitied for being so unpleasant?

    You could agree to doing something small that you are confident that you can achieve, like writing some emails, as long as you make sure that you do fulfil the promise. One of the things I do is over promise and then under deliver. I cave in to reasonable requests to do X,Y and Z without really thinking that I will actually commit to doing it. I then go and do X,Y and something else thinking that the other thing would be well received. In practice the disappointment, of not finishing task Z, obliterates any credit for doing the additional thing that I had thought to do.

  • Has the fact that the original book club has shrunk from 8 to the three of you down to the fact the others felt intimidated by her presence?

    If you think that is the case you have grounds for excluding her. As it is, the book club's current parlous state is probably down to her.

    You could change the rules to ensure that non-autistic participants respect the needs of those on the spectrum.

    Walking out is better than confrontation. It is no use having a set-to in a library, which might get the book club, or any future ventures barred. So you did the right thing.

    My former local authority set up a youth forum, which was co-chared by a young person and a councillor. Unfortunately the first two councillors were dominant and pushy (ladies big in stature as well as voice), and the forum failed to progress. Only when they found a way to keep the adult co-chair very low profile did it prosper.

  • Also, I am open to constructive criticism and assistance. If she had phrased things differently and in a calm voice, I would have been receptive and taken it all on board. I can be slow in carrying out advice, but I do listen and try my best, so long as I feel the person is not ordering me about or unduly criticising my performance.

    I am afraid this woman is not good at the art of persuasion!

  • Thanks for the reply.

    THe book club is supposed to include  people with and without Asperger's, so this woman is within her rights to be at the book club - I should have explained this in the first post.

    However, she is very interfering and likes to dominate people. For example, she once came to an Asperger self-advocacy meeting, where parents are not allowed to attend apart from in a supporting capacity. She attended the meeting uninvited, and tried to tell the group what to do!. THe group is run by and for people with Asperger's, so this was completely inappropriate behaviour. She has also been known to cause stress in other people's lives by being so strident.

    I am certainly not a walk over - I have had to develop a very tough skin in order to deal with meddlesome and bullying people. As a person with Asperger's, I feel it is very important to speak up for your rights and not let people talk to you like dirt. Therefore I did tell her 'not to speak to me like that', and that ''I would appreciate it if you would not have a go at me''. I am afraid she did not take the hint, and I walked out because if I stayed I probably would have burst into tears - tears of anger, not sadness.

  • Former Member
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    If it's a club for Asperger's then she has no real business taking part. Can you try and assert some rules of the club so that other people can be asked for help but that it is principally for Asperger's.

    An issue that you are encountering is that organisation is not one of an Asperger's stronger traits (to say the least) This means that you probably need to adjust your expectations and perhaps make it clear to everyone that it is not going to be a very "efficient" group. As long as you enjoy the social side of a regular meeting and you can develop your common interests in reading then the group is achieving its goals. I think that this is an excellent thing for you to do and if you and your friend can get over this issue then the group may start to grow again.

    Although we are not naturally good organisers, we can get better at this. I have found that a smartphone with its calendar and reminders has been something of a revelation for me. It allows me to set reminders to put the bins out, to remember to ring someone in the morning, to remember to take the bread out of the breadmaker, to remember my work pass, keys when I go to work. I've always been very distractable and forgetful and now I have a little assistant in my pocket that doesn't nag me but just pings at the appropriate moment to nudge me to do the regular and routine things that would otherwise get forgotten. I will never get a job as a project manager and know accept this weakness as part of my ASD but this is a piece of kit that has made a real difference and I just accept that I'm not good at it and can benefit from a little bit of help.

    As I said before, walking away from a situation is sometimes the best response to getting wound up. Letting fly with your frustration does not achieve anything except make the situation worse. I've actually done this recently at work. I had to leave the building rather than let fly. If I hadn't done this then I would probably have been sacked. If you get to this point it means that there is a problem that needs to be resolved and these things can only be resolved by calm reflection and by taking advice from others and moving on from where you have got to.

    I read something useful in a book of 50 things you must not do at work. It said that you can only be walked over if you are lying down. Do not allow the world to walk all over you! Do not allow yourself to lie down and accept it. This is how people get bullied. Stand up for what, and who, your book club is for!

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    Walking out can be the best thing to do. :-)

    Will add more later.

    uncle recombinant