Another elephant in the room

This time Brexit. I think everybody who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for, but, apart from some commonalities I think everyones idea of Brexit was different and probably quite individual. But not only was this never addressed at the referendum properly by the leader of the charge out of Europe, but during the Brexit discussions after the vote.

Brexit was won by a narrow majority and not only were the 48% who wanted to stay totally ignored, but leavers were never asked what they really wanted either? I really think that as a national issue it should have been a cross party thing, not a one party thing from a minority government. Is it any wonder that so many people now think Brexit was a bad idea or that it's not worked out as they thought or had been promised?

I'm not a Labour supporter, but I do think Andy Burnams right to bring this up now and get people talking, to get an idea of what people really think and want before making any big desicions ahead of a new manifesto for the next parliament.

I think the world has changed so much in the last 5 or 6 years, war in Europe, war in the Middle East and an American President that seems happy to abandon alliances, including NATO and cosy up to Putin. I think we need to be much more united as a continent in the face of threats and should be much closer in National Security terms.

Of course Europe itself might be a different place next year as elections take place with the far right on the up.

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  • Thanks  for the links.

    Reading the document that points my analysis towards:

    Ruling out "solution 1" of dual citizenship: "The red lines in our manifesto, including those on freedom of movement, will stay firmly in place for the whole of this Parliament"

    Solution 2  gets no mention -( perhaps unsurprisingly as I suspect that metropolitan elitism and devolution are far too hot potatoes to get out of the fire for handling at present)

    the "solution 3" - negotiate business deals - I listed in my earlier response I think is the big message for where things are going:  "removes red tape from our businesses"  for example...

    Maybe there's a nod to pragmatic algorithmic necessity that I listed as "solution 4"  "one in six landings at the isle of Barra airport and 40% at Stornaway airport are turned away due to the lack of low-visibility radar, known as EGNOS." , "We are reviewing the potential benefits of restoring access to this important system."

    I'd admit that I can't bring myself to watch the video however commend those who so do - as it is I get a strong sense that I'm doing a cryptic crossword when exploring this sort of thing.  I wouldn't quite go as far as:

    Politics is a terrifying world

    more that I really don't feel that I have the "bandwidth" to get deeply into it at least in respect of the "social communication" games that are going on.  Except to say that it seems more than a bit of a happy coincidence tho' that raising Brexit just before a budget?  Or is it about making sure he's shown to be able to control the ranks and files of the party?

    Hey  the main thing you flagged up was 

    I think we need to be much more united as a continent in the face of threats and should be much closer in National Security terms

    and that seems to be going under the radar of replies mainly thus far - and it has in the main in PMQs  altho " the clear commitment that we are making to stand with Ukraine, whatever it takes." and "what specific measures our security forces and services are taking to trace the source of those digital threats, which police indicate originated from outside the United Kingdom? "  does get a mention.

    What do you reckon to what you have highlighted as being your greatest concern being apparently sidelined to rehashing old Brexit squabbles?

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