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Another elephant in the room

TheCatWoman

This time Brexit. I think everybody who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for, but, apart from some commonalities I think everyones idea of Brexit was different and probably quite individual. But not only was this never addressed at the referendum properly by the leader of the charge out of Europe, but during the Brexit discussions after the vote.

Brexit was won by a narrow majority and not only were the 48% who wanted to stay totally ignored, but leavers were never asked what they really wanted either? I really think that as a national issue it should have been a cross party thing, not a one party thing from a minority government. Is it any wonder that so many people now think Brexit was a bad idea or that it's not worked out as they thought or had been promised?

I'm not a Labour supporter, but I do think Andy Burnams right to bring this up now and get people talking, to get an idea of what people really think and want before making any big desicions ahead of a new manifesto for the next parliament.

I think the world has changed so much in the last 5 or 6 years, war in Europe, war in the Middle East and an American President that seems happy to abandon alliances, including NATO and cosy up to Putin. I think we need to be much more united as a continent in the face of threats and should be much closer in National Security terms.

Of course Europe itself might be a different place next year as elections take place with the far right on the up.

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  • TheCatWoman said:
    I do think Andy Burnams right to bring this up now and get people talking, to get an idea of what people really think and want before making any big desicions ahead of a new manifesto for the next parliament.

    What processes do people have to contribute to the governments potential policy over this? Is there going to be a list of policies for people to vote on (and this time with actual realistic pricing against them) or just a forum for people to shout their opinions into to make them feel like they are being listened to?

    My suspicions are that this is an illusion of being heard - much like the last time there will be only a small group of ministers making decisions based on their own ideas with plenty of "potential facts" to illustrate the way things will work out for us to vote on then the real price will only be revealed once we commit.

    Speaking of the real price, has the EU told us what the cost will be (up front and as an ongoing contribution) to rejoin? I get the impression they see the UK as a cash cow to milk and now our manufacturing has been largely decimated, we will not be able to compete on many fronts in the internal markets against other countries.

  • in reply to Iain

    I think the idea of opening this up now for debate is so that government can get an idea of the appetite for change and what sort of change people would accept. 

    I don't have a huge amount of faith in politicians, but I am a political animal and enjoy talking about it.

    I don't think we will rejoin, we're never going to get as good a deal as we had and we'd end up having to accept freedom of movement and other things that many don't want. 

    It would be good if many of our small and artisan producers could trade as easily they once did, they might not be big business with hundreds or thousand of employees, but, hundreds or thousands of small business employing a handful of people, who pay tax in this country and spend money in this country is a significant number.

    Our manufacturing will still be decimated whatever we do EU wise. 

    I do agree that the EU is overly bureaucratic, but maybe that will start to change with big elections in France and Spain, let alone whatever happens in Germany.

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  • in reply to Iain

    I think the idea of opening this up now for debate is so that government can get an idea of the appetite for change and what sort of change people would accept. 

    I don't have a huge amount of faith in politicians, but I am a political animal and enjoy talking about it.

    I don't think we will rejoin, we're never going to get as good a deal as we had and we'd end up having to accept freedom of movement and other things that many don't want. 

    It would be good if many of our small and artisan producers could trade as easily they once did, they might not be big business with hundreds or thousand of employees, but, hundreds or thousands of small business employing a handful of people, who pay tax in this country and spend money in this country is a significant number.

    Our manufacturing will still be decimated whatever we do EU wise. 

    I do agree that the EU is overly bureaucratic, but maybe that will start to change with big elections in France and Spain, let alone whatever happens in Germany.

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