Brexit round two?

Looks like Andy Burnham would like to reopen the whole Brexit debate. I didn't want us to leave, but now we have I don't want to go back to it and have all the life sucked out of politics again, by endless BS from both sides.

I do think a closer relationship with Europe would be good for many things, including trade, a better trade relationship would improve out economy, maybe not by bringing in big multinationals in to invest here, but it would help all the small, artisanal businesses to trade again without the expense and barriers, it would help enormously. Government only ever seems to think about big, multinational businesses, rarely about the small and independent businesses, who quietly go about their the trade and rarely if ever get represented even though they create employment pay tax here and contribute to a vibrant economy.

One thing I do know to have been true was Russian interferance, back in the day I was on another site and all these "new members" popped up all spouting anti-EU, pro-Russia stuff, they rarely responded to anything not Brexit related or if they did they somehow brought it back to that. I challenged one and said it sounded like a Russian bot and magically all the "new members" disapeared. That was only a tiny site, so I can't imagine what it was like on the bigger ones like faceache or twatter. 

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  • The whole thing is just obscuring a more important point. I was a reluctant remainer in that I thought the EU sucked but we were better off in that out. However the official remain campaign was an absolute waste of space. I heard plenty of arguments about how great things were going to be when we left but I never heard a single argument about why we should stay. Lets be absurdly generous and say Putin's intervention skewed things by 2% why was the result so close in the first place. But the truth is that David Cameron and pals failed to convince 50~% that staying was better for us and then rather than owning their defeat Cameron walked away and everyone in the remain camp tried to pin the blame on Jeremy Corbyn for their own failure to argue successfully in favour of the EU. Everything else since then has been downhill of that failure. 

  • The EU is definitely an imperfect system, to put it mildly. I'm ½ Italian on my mother's side, and Italy along with most of southern Europe were strong-armed into the Euro when they weren't ready, they're still dealing with the results of that. Frowning2

    I voted to Remain because despite its flaws I could see that EU membership was a good thing overall. But you're right that that side wasn't put forward as vigorously as the claims that leaving would magically fix all Britain's woes. And we've been living with the result of that ever since…

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  • The EU is definitely an imperfect system, to put it mildly. I'm ½ Italian on my mother's side, and Italy along with most of southern Europe were strong-armed into the Euro when they weren't ready, they're still dealing with the results of that. Frowning2

    I voted to Remain because despite its flaws I could see that EU membership was a good thing overall. But you're right that that side wasn't put forward as vigorously as the claims that leaving would magically fix all Britain's woes. And we've been living with the result of that ever since…

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