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Brexit round two?

TheCatWoman

Looks like Andy Burnham would like to reopen the whole Brexit debate. I didn't want us to leave, but now we have I don't want to go back to it and have all the life sucked out of politics again, by endless BS from both sides.

I do think a closer relationship with Europe would be good for many things, including trade, a better trade relationship would improve out economy, maybe not by bringing in big multinationals in to invest here, but it would help all the small, artisanal businesses to trade again without the expense and barriers, it would help enormously. Government only ever seems to think about big, multinational businesses, rarely about the small and independent businesses, who quietly go about their the trade and rarely if ever get represented even though they create employment pay tax here and contribute to a vibrant economy.

One thing I do know to have been true was Russian interferance, back in the day I was on another site and all these "new members" popped up all spouting anti-EU, pro-Russia stuff, they rarely responded to anything not Brexit related or if they did they somehow brought it back to that. I challenged one and said it sounded like a Russian bot and magically all the "new members" disapeared. That was only a tiny site, so I can't imagine what it was like on the bigger ones like faceache or twatter. 

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  • Like you, I became very tired of our government seizing up for years when it was nothing but Brexit and really don't want that to happen again, as it destroys the normal governing process and filled the media. I was shaken and devastated when the vote was to leave. However, there's nothing I would welcome more than rejoining the EU.

    For years after we left, so many businesses suddenly realised the negative impact it had on their business. You know the sort of thing - "I thought it would mean I would gain business from other parts of the world *as well as* having all my European sales! This will destroy me!". Or the people living permanently in Spain or other European countries who voted for Brexit for the UK and suddenly found it applied to them, and they couldn't continue their British isolationist existence in someone else's country. Or even those in depressed parts of northern England and Wales who thought things couldn't get worse and wanted to stick two fingers up to the government.

    I was working in Wales at the time and my job meant I knew how much money went into parts of the country from the EU to help the economy. I remember that some members of the Welsh Assembly were tearing their hair out because they knew all that money was lost. And not just to Wales - every deprived area of England suffered. The PM at the time (Boris) had promised that they would all have even more money after we left - another broken promise.

    And don't even get me started on the rise in racism that began on the run up to the vote, let alone afterwards.

  • in reply to Alexa

    My cousin left the UK to live in France as he was fed up with all the foreigners coming here and refusing to integrate, but he never tried to integrate in France, you can't make it up!

    As I used to travel around diferent parts of the UK it was really noticable how many places were supported by the EU, few in the south of England, but loads in Scotland and here in Wales too. I think a lot of farmers were fed up with EU red tape and wanted something easier to deal with, many changed their tune when they realised all the subsidies they had from the EU weren't going to be replaced or be replaced by something less generous and with more forms to fill in that before. Especially small farmers they've been really walloped.

    I don't know why anyone believed Boris Johnson anyway he was a known liar and as for Cameron well words just fail me.

    The amount of racism was terrible, my DiL got pushed into a lampost and cut her face and was badly bruised because she hadn't gone "home" the day after Brexit. I really think a lot of people thought they'd wake up back in the 1970's or even 1940's the day after Brexit the way they carried on, a country can't just chuck some clothes in a bag and go and sleep on someones sofa when it gets fed up with a treaty. My reservations about rejoining are about the terms under which we'd rejoin, we won't get the same advantages as we had before, they could well insist that we become part of the Shengen agreement and that we have the Euro, which I'm not so sure about. 

    Of coourse Europe itself has changed in the last 10 years and is likely to change more, European governments may decide they want a looser union than now. But I certainly think trade and security would benefit and I'd like to see us rejoin the Erasmus scheme and the joint scientific reaseach projects, I think leaving those caused a reall brain drain and have done us no favours at all.

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  • in reply to Alexa

    My cousin left the UK to live in France as he was fed up with all the foreigners coming here and refusing to integrate, but he never tried to integrate in France, you can't make it up!

    As I used to travel around diferent parts of the UK it was really noticable how many places were supported by the EU, few in the south of England, but loads in Scotland and here in Wales too. I think a lot of farmers were fed up with EU red tape and wanted something easier to deal with, many changed their tune when they realised all the subsidies they had from the EU weren't going to be replaced or be replaced by something less generous and with more forms to fill in that before. Especially small farmers they've been really walloped.

    I don't know why anyone believed Boris Johnson anyway he was a known liar and as for Cameron well words just fail me.

    The amount of racism was terrible, my DiL got pushed into a lampost and cut her face and was badly bruised because she hadn't gone "home" the day after Brexit. I really think a lot of people thought they'd wake up back in the 1970's or even 1940's the day after Brexit the way they carried on, a country can't just chuck some clothes in a bag and go and sleep on someones sofa when it gets fed up with a treaty. My reservations about rejoining are about the terms under which we'd rejoin, we won't get the same advantages as we had before, they could well insist that we become part of the Shengen agreement and that we have the Euro, which I'm not so sure about. 

    Of coourse Europe itself has changed in the last 10 years and is likely to change more, European governments may decide they want a looser union than now. But I certainly think trade and security would benefit and I'd like to see us rejoin the Erasmus scheme and the joint scientific reaseach projects, I think leaving those caused a reall brain drain and have done us no favours at all.

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