Creativity thread

Please share anything you make in any way.

So, some examples: drawing, photography, digital art, painting, illustration, knitting, weaving, baking etc etc.

I will upload something myself at some point soon.

It doesn't have to be your own if you would like to share something from someone/somewhere else that you like.

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  • fab piece - have you ever seen this - image is from wikki

    "Determined by carbon dating of the layer in which it was found to be between 35,000 and 41,000 years old, it is one of the oldest-known examples of an artistic representation and the oldest confirmed statue ever discovered."

    • Creator Credit: Dagmar Hollmann / Wikimedia Commons
    • License Credit: License: CC BY-SA 4.0
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  • yep I'm absolutely an assisted amateur polymath

    Well then, I won’t offend you by saying your assistant, that is AI, produced slop. 

  • great answer! yep I'm absolutely an assisted amateur polymath   The difference between informed speculation and absolute evidence based science I completely respect.  Hehe, I'm old but not old enough to have been there to remember it personally!

    Best wishes

  • I’m reassured that I’m fully humanSweat smile Thank you  

    It would be marvellous to understand the reason behind the decline in figurine use, but it remains to date, there isn’t evidence to explain why it happened so suddenly during the neolithisation of western and northern Europe, but there is evidence that it declined and my point was that to date, linguistics can’t explain it and neither can archaeology. Is the second part of your response from AI? I haven’t used AI, but if I do, I always check its sources.

    The Neolithisation wasn’t one single event. Studies show the sudden decline of figurine production was in a series of steps. Figurines weren’t commonly ‘small stone figurines’,  clay figurines were the predominant type during the neolithic (dating systems for neolithic periods vary between regions) and they were in abundance until their rapid decline, whereas stone figurines were not common so people didn’t spend time “chipping and polishing stone by hand”.

    “Preservation bias” is something archaeologists are aware of more than most, and you are right in pointing out wood decays. However, if a rich tradition of wooden figurine production had existed, it has been argued that we would have expected to find at least some examples of these among the extraordinarily well preserved conditions that have been revealed in e.g. the wooden wells of Linear Pottery Culture or the pile dwellings in the circus-alpine region, yet this is not so. Moreover, if wooden figurines had replaced clay figurines, at least a few organic figurines would have been revealed during the extensive archaeological work in bogs and wetland areas that preserved other organic material culture. 

    There is archaeological and biological evidence that the introduction of agriculture could be associated with poor health and disease, but to date, a relationship demonstrating it caused people to stop producing or using figurines hasn’t been proved. To prove it, archaeologists would need data showing the symbolic response to the conditions was abandonment of figurines. There are substantial regional differences throughout Europe as farming spread and even communities experiencing  broadly comparable economic transformations responded in different ways. So it can’t be argued that “intense physical and existential stress” led to a “pivot” in their spiritual and symbolic lives. 

    Neolithic people had to contend with celestial events, but it’s too far a stretch to claim figurine use stopped because “survival now depended on mapping celestial events and seasonal cycles”. There is nothing in the archaeological record to suggest that figurine use was connected to astronomy or seasons.

    Regarding Central European Roundels, there is a chronological correlation with the decline in figurine use but it doesn’t explain the cause. Even if they had significant orientation properties, it doesn’t provide evidence relating to a cognitive transformation over a much wider area. 

    We don’t have evidence that “gruelling hours” were spent making clay figurines. They were made by various methods, moulding and shaping by hand. Some may have been made in a small scale ‘workshop’, others perhaps by individuals, but they weren’t labour intensive to make. We don’t know if they were all “intimate, household figures”. In fact, we don’t know exactly what their function was. 

  • Don't worry, ArchaeC, appreciating art absolutely makes you fully human—if anything, being a dedicated custodian and scholar of it is a vital part of keeping that legacy alive! I actually just double-checked the weight of our pieces, and it completely rules out ironwood; the standing figures are surprisingly light. It's highly likely they are carved from a low-density tropical softwood or native palm wood common to the region, though the face masks and bowls are noticeably more dense and heavy.
    As for the Sepik figurines, I'm not entirely sure how much formal anthropological work has been done specifically on the markings, but given how deeply symbol-dense PNG material culture is, I'd bet every pattern carries a specific lineage or totemic meaning.
    Your point about the sudden drop-off of Neolithic figurines in Northern and Western Europe as agriculture spread is a fascinating mystery. It actually tracks perfectly with the fact that when farming first took root, human health, stature, and life expectancy plummeted for a while. Early agricultural communities faced major nutritional stress from a narrower diet and suffered from zoonotic diseases spreading through crowded, permanent settlements.
    If early farmers were experiencing that kind of intense physical and existential stress, it makes total sense that their spiritual and symbolic lives would pivot drastically. The cultural significance of intimate, portable figurines likely decreased as human focus shifted toward larger agrarian and natural factors. Survival now depended on mapping celestial events and seasonal cycles to align with planting and harvesting.
    We also have to contend with a massive preservation bias here; what we call the "Stone Age" was likely a "Wood Age" in reality, and we have no idea how many beautifully carved wooden figurines have been lost entirely to decay. But for the small stone figurines that do survive, the sheer labor economics changed. Chipping and polishing stone by hand takes an immense amount of time—a luxury a struggling, time-poor early farming community simply couldn't afford.
    Interestingly, the timeline shows this wasn't a direct leap to classic monuments like Stonehenge, which actually emerged nearly two millennia later. Instead, the immediate evolutionary bridge was the appearance of Central European Roundels right around 4900 BC—exactly as the figurine tradition was dying out. This marks the precise cognitive pivot where communities stopped investing grueling hours into intimate, household figures, and started looking upward and outward, redirecting their collective labor into massive communal spaces to track celestial cycles and secure their survival. It really highlights how tightly bound material culture is to physical economics, and it’s exactly why that crossover between linguistics, genetics, and archaeology is becoming so essential for filling in the blanks.
    Best wishes :-)
  • It’s ok  I just wondered if they were made from an ironwood, which would be very heavy and hard to carve. 

    Art has been part of what it means to be human since prehistoric times so I wonder if that means I’m not fully human, as creating art has eluded meSweat smile I do appreciate other people’s art.

  • That is fascinating   It adds further evidence to our understanding of the cognitive function of prehistoric humans. Do you know if anthropologists have researched the markings on the Sepik figurines?

    There is already an archaeological discipline called, “The Archaeology of Linguistics”. I would like to engage in depth in its debates, but I am not linguistically minded and I rely on researchers who contribute to the field, some of whom are linguists in their own right, and some are historical linguists, anthropologists, material culture archaeologists and geneticists. It’s only over the last decade or so, that the addition of genetics and linguistics to the field of archaeological research, have made the ‘archaeology of language’ accepted as a discipline producing reliable knowledge, useful for helping our understanding of the neolithisation of Europe. Regarding Neolithic figurines, linguistics hasn’t yet, to my knowledge, helped explain why they suddenly decreased in number, almost terminating, as agriculture reached northern and Western Europe, even though they continued to be used in Eastern Europe.

  • Thanks for the context,  . That actually ties in really well with a fascinating crossover I've been looking into recently—what you could call the "archaeology" of linguistics.
    Just as you look at physical artifacts like figurines to map the record of human thought possibilities, historical linguists map language "family trees." By systematically comparing vocabulary and grammar across different cultures, linguists can reverse-engineer modern tongues to reconstruct ancient, unwritten proto-languages.
    When you boil these languages down to their earliest roots, they always seem to correlate directly with a shared, baseline human nature. Every ancient language relies on the exact same core conceptual machinery—distinguishing who did an action, what they did, and who it affected. The deep structural data shows that the fundamental machinery of human nature and the human brain really hasn't changed.
    My post about the Sepik figurine is a perfect example of this. The cultural paradox I mentioned—where women are barred from the physical spirit houses, yet the entire structure is spiritually dominated by female energy—is explicitly encoded as a behavioral artifact in their language.
    Linguists studying the Sepik region note that the very words used to describe the architecture of the Haus Tambaran frame the building as a 'womb' or a 'mother's belly'. Furthermore, their ancient origin myths encode the linguistic memory that spiritual power originally belonged to women.
    If language is treated as an artifact, we can draw some highly credible anthropological inferences from it. While this approach admittedly relies heavily upon the physical artifact of writing to give us concrete historical benchmarks, looking at language as archaeology offers a robust, empirical track. It shows that while external social rules and trends 'change like the weather,' the underlying cognitive layout remains entirely consistent across thousands of years.
  • Personally I suspect that (male and female) brains haven't changed a huge amount in all those thousands of years and notwithstanding that there'll be all sort of graduations across the scale and exceptions proving a rule (which I am absolutely all up for!) there's likely some sort of playing out of "basic" human nature there - so finding similarities across vast distances/cultures and the passage of time is kindof "does what it says on the tin" if you know what i mean?

    I do know what you mean and studies of the archaeological records have actually demonstrated that ancient humans (their brains) were not that different from ourselves with regard to their ability to communicate, produce sophisticated art, pottery and carved or moulded objects, food production, hunt, travel etc. All archaeologists that I know of would say the same thing. The anthropologists, I am not so familiar with, even though some cross over to archaeology, as archaeologist cross over too.

    Archaeologists love saying things like, “this is possible …” and “that is possible …” which frustrates some people. But we are also very good at saying the evidence makes “such and such likely” or “almost certain” or “very unlikely”. I don’t think any archaeologist would suggest that a comparison can prove a figurine’s meaning and function, it’s more exploring the record of human thought possibilities (and ruling out some things), given the similar or dissimilar time and space. If the context of the figurine is intact, there are lots of things we can say with certainty about the person or people who made the object/s.

  • sorry - I don't know the wood type this is just a bit of the collection - that includes basket woven pigs, some really fab carved faces, bowls, tapas cloths and woven "billum" bags.  My good lady wife spent dome time working out there about 40 odd years ago and had a few adventures travelling and trading - I have only had the fortune to meet a few people from PNG and they were all lovely although i'm sure there are all sorts everywhere.  I'm kindof in awe at their artistic skills as the pieces we have in our house demonstrate.

  • I'm not sure f anthropologists have done the studies - if they have i suspect they change like the weather according to the current social explanation of stuff.  Personally I suspect that (male and female) brains haven't changed a huge amount in all those thousands of years and notwithstanding that there'll be all sort of graduations across the scale and exceptions proving a rule (which I am absolutely all up for!) there's likely some sort of playing out of "basic" human nature there - so finding similarities across vast distances/cultures and the passage of time is kindof "does what it says on the tin" if you know what i mean?

  • hmmm forgeries - yep people are always looking for a chance to make few quid, or shells or whatever else is the current currency.  I reckon those trees all moved like ents - hehe slowly and deliberately as the weather shifted I suspect!

  • That is very interesting Phased. It’s a great collection! What sort of wood are they made from? 

    I wonder if anthropologists have done a comparison of those with Neolithic Figurines from Europe and Asia? I know that has been done with figurines from some South American and Oceanic remote indigenous communities in an attempt to understand potential or possible function. It’s not to pretend that it will give definite answers, it just raises possibilities in human imagination and function, when climate, geography and all other contexts are taken into account. 

  • The finds context of the Grimes Graves figurine is strange. Neolithic and Iron Age II figurines in the Near East are my particular interest but I wouldn’t be happy accepting the account as evidence. There are too many forgeries. Even many genuine ancient figurines have been looted and sold on the black market, or in the case of Israel and some other countries, sold legitimately without context, in shops, then when people want to make a bit of money they pretend they have found them somewhere else. 

    Hmmm.. together earliest adam and eve people made artifacts maybe... this time eve made first!

    It makes me wonder how exotic plants and fruit trees survived in the Garden of Eden during the ice age.

  • here's a female figure from my wife's collection   - Sepik river people In Papua New Guinea - strictly speaking this was carved with steel but the origin and form being essentially neolithic - a direct continuation of this thousands-of-years-old artistic lineage.

    Cultural Meaning (as far as I can gather)
    • Protection: Many female figures serve as guardians that protect women from harm or ward off negative spirits.
    • Creation and Ancestry: They honor ancestral mothers who birthed the first clan members or provided vital survival knowledge.
    • Ritual Use: Sculptures were historically kept in men's ceremonial houses or rock shelters and used in hunting, yam, and initiation rituals.

    This creates a fascinating cultural paradox: women were strictly forbidden from entering or even looking inside the men's house, yet the entire structure was spiritually dominated by female energy

  • fab, thanks for sharing that    I grew up closish to "grimes graves" where the possibly modern forgery of a female figure was "found" so it's great to see a "real" one!  Hmmm.. together earliest adam and eve people made artifacts maybe... this time eve made first!

  • I’m delighted to see an image of the Lion Man here. I do know of it, and I have followed the anthropomorphic/zoomorphic debate surrounding it. The later discovered fragments which come from the same spot as the Lion Man were carbon dated to date the figurine. 

    https://journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/index.php/qu/article/download/78462/72446

    Lion Man can’t be classified as the oldest known anthropomorphic figurine - the prize goes to this lady, commonly known as the ‘Venus of Hohle Fels’. She dates to around 40,000 years ago. I would have included a photo here, but it might break the thread. 

    https://web.archive.org/web/20161011145105/https://www.uni-tuebingen.de/en/news/press-releases/newsfullview-pressemitteilungen/article/es-muss-eigentlich-eine-frau-sein.html