Potential roll back on womens rights

I’m not sure if it took the path you might have intended with the question. These is a sprawling subject.

The apathy has shifted to other areas. It’s like we go to sleep or blink for a second and fascism changes form.  It’s always there just more subtle and nuanced. I notice as misandry spreading in groups of women, whether this is passed down or widespread in the media or general sentiment I have no idea.

Single men suffer from this too as well as childless couples.

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I would like to think of a time when some men don't think they have to control women, but I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.

TheCatWoman said:

I noticed a few days ago that reform are wanting to make childless women pay more tax because were not contributing to society in the right way,

And yet people will still vote for them  

You're right to highlight what about not being able to have children 

But also not having children means use less services, but still pay same tax, but not gaining tax back in child benefit or breakfast club, childcare etc , so actually women who never had children already are paying more because they don't get money back through these schemes 

Will there ever be a time when (some) men aren't trying to control women?

It has been said by independent electoral observers that there was "family voting" with one or two male family members entering the booth with another person to instruct them how or who to vote for, this is illegal and rightly so. Reform are kicking off about this, but seem to be under the assumption that everybody doing this was voting against them, so I would guess they've not yet gone as far as some US far right Christians who believe that only the male head of a family should vote on behalf of all family members.

It was quite funny watching Zia Yusef on Newsnight earlier in the week trying to justify rolling back equality laws and under intense questioning by Victoria Derbyshire that they didn't mean no wheelchair access, or anythig like that, just that white working class men were being discriminated against. So I guess the thought (or what passes for thought), is that if the equality act was removed all white working class men would suddenly be in work?

It is typical of Fascist ideologies to have a burning desire to control other people. Either it is done through coercion, or through monetary disincentives/incentives. Give these people any level of control and they will want to control every aspect of people's daily lives. In a way it is better that they signpost their nasty authoritarian impulses before any national elections, rather than after.

Sorry I don't understand what you mean or are implying. I did know this thread would be contentious, but given the responses maybe not as contentious as might be feared.

pietro_21 said:

7 I still believe there are a lot of people who think this. 

Yes, and women who didn't fit into society's 'norms' were once tried as witches.

7 I still believe there are a lot of people who think this. 

If I were a person considering voting Reform I'd educate myself with regard to women's rights achievements over the last few centuries.

Here are some milestones:

https://www.lawson-west.co.uk/knowledge/100-years-of-women-in-the-law/

Don't put these precious achievements into jeopardy.

I've just done a search on these ideas from Reform - I don't think all of them are actually formal policy.

So, here goes, from what I could find:

1.  Rescind no fault divorce.

2.  Childless women (men??) to be taxed more.

3.  Negative child benefit tax.

4.  Fewer women in higher education.

5.  Abolition of equality laws.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/26/britain-babies-reform-women-birthrate-policies

6.  Young girls to be given a 'biological reality check'.

7.  Marriage between men and women the only basis for a safe and successful society.

8.  The present abortion laws are 'ludicrous'.

www.independent.co.uk/.../reform-farage-women-families-abortion-fertility-b2924596.html

There may be more I haven't unearthed.

Scary stuff, especially for someone like me who lived through the '70s and the 'Womens' Liberation Movement'.

I feel a duty to point these issues out to anyone considering voting for them.

I'm sure people are having fewer children for a variety of reasons, they can't aford anywhere to live away from their parents, they may not be able to live with their partner due to lack of space at their parents houses, The parents may not want their adult children having children of their own all under the same roof.

Some choose not to have children, some desperately want children but can't have them for a variety of reasons.

Reform also want to bring fault back into divorce to make it harder and trap people in unhappy or even dangerous marriages. They want to bring back married couples tax allowance too, I wonder if the father wishes to stay at home and look after the children if the tax allowance would go to the working mother?

I wonder how they intend to make men pay their fair share? I've known so many women who've split up from their male partners because they don't really contribute, they're actually a drain on the family resourses. I've known so many women who work full time, have school age children they care for and do all the home care, whilst the man often earns more but contributes little, especially with daily life, like cooking, cleaning and child care duties, keeping up with school. The men who are oblivious to thier childrens need for new shoes and school uniforms, but are quite happy to buy the latest big screen tv or games console. These are not men, they're big children!

Why should women look harder for male partners, why shouldn't men take a look at themselves and think about how they can make themselves a more attractive long term partner?

TheCatWoman You created this contentious thread, but watching quietly!!

I'm not really that interested in politics.

Obviously I'm not emotionally invested in the same way, and don't have the same drivers to have children. But I understand the time pressures are real.

I feel sense on injustice, more generally because there are people who do not consider others take advantage and move in. This is what I am observing everywhere.  Its an abuse of rights, people trying to take advantage of laws for their own benefit. I don't see societal systems and laws as there to be excercised by individuals in a rightous position to use for monetary gains, laws are there to protect us all. Imagine how efficient things would be if noone was able take advantage like this. 

It’s kind of self limiting to most people to have children because of the cost or burden or reality. People who have 10-12 children are typically supported by the system.  I don’t think having more children drastically increases chances of your genes survival. It’s also what quality of life you might be bringing them into. 

This sounds like a very neurotypical special interest ;;. 

That is very well said.i really should bee more careful what my fingers type ;)

I’m only on plants but I’m looking to adopt an animal (not human)

One of my sisters adopted (technically not childless) which is amazing. There is this thing looking at kids when they have Birthdays and Xmas that you are making their future memories, anything you do or say is a huge responsibility as a parent as they might all you up on it one day. Kids doing what they see from the world through the internet scares me a lot. So much is distorted now.

I also read that more women are having a career and leaving having kids till later. Obviously Reform want to punish women for wanting to have lives.

I cannot put into words my revulsion for people who believe they have a right to dictate how others live their lives. 

EDIT: This wasn't an attack on you, incase it came out as that, I get caught up in feeling injustice for things like this and tend to go into rant mode.

I think that sharing is normal way to rent now. Ownership is mostly down to job security and borrowing. None of it is really sustainable if the system stays the same because of the sheer numbers of people wanting to live in cities everything gets more expensive.