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  • Profound autism, is it real, or is it just intellectual disability with certain autistic features? People with intellectual disability, who are also talkative and extrovert and keen on social interaction are not called 'profoundly neurotypical'.

    This sort of thing, like assignment of species in human evolution, tends to switch between 'lumpers' and 'splitters'. The 'spectrum' saw lumpers in the ascendant, perhaps the pendulum is swinging the other way?

  • Profound autism, is it real, or is it just intellectual disability with certain autistic features

    I was thinking about this, I think you want to see an example to prove it's existence?

    I would reccommend viewing 'Inside our autistic minds', I think the first episode, it features Murray, who is I think, profoundly autistic, non-verbal but it is obvious he is also highly intelligent and thoughtful too. 

  • This would go against the profound autism definition though. Low iq is one of suggested criteria.

  • Understood  

    Personally I think that scientists and clinicians alike need to be a bit more creative about what they diagnose and call out social problems by it.  Say for example a GP who regularly sees an individual with depression and anxiety might join the dots for wider social issues for that person, e.g. for some this might be a diagnosis "out-of- work-itiss" and prescribe that the person should be supported to find meaningful and worthwhile employment that they are happy and able to engage with...

    Or "undersupport-itis" maybe...

  • That is so, yet it is a shame that the NHS and social care has deteriorated to the extent that researchers have the need to make the diagnosis fit the support system rather than the other way about.

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  • Understood  

    Personally I think that scientists and clinicians alike need to be a bit more creative about what they diagnose and call out social problems by it.  Say for example a GP who regularly sees an individual with depression and anxiety might join the dots for wider social issues for that person, e.g. for some this might be a diagnosis "out-of- work-itiss" and prescribe that the person should be supported to find meaningful and worthwhile employment that they are happy and able to engage with...

    Or "undersupport-itis" maybe...