The NAS will no longer post on X (formerly Twitter)

Always knew NAS was left leaning. They only support those whose political opinions agree with them.. They just used the Grok issue as a smoke screen, to get off that nasty Musk guys site. I am neither left or right leaning but am increasing realising that this site is not good for those that think differently than left politics.

Funny thing is i was warned by a lady who runs an autistic support group in my city that NAS is not for everyone..

I genuinely don’t understand.

In what way does leaving “X” constitute being left leaning? 

As I read the original message, the choice seems to be about “ethical issues” and “inclusivity and empowerment” . And very much based in this awful issue about people’s data being used unethically. I would assume people of all political persuasions are concerned about ethics … and inclusivity and empowerment are qualities to be aspired to from all positions on the political spectrum, no? Other than nasty extremists and people who are overtly full of hatred for others.

How do you read this as left leaning, rather than decency leaning? Do you assume those on the right are not concerned with ethics, inclusivity and empowerment? Seems quite sweeping to me and a bit offensive to the upstanding right leaning folk here. 

Is there an agenda here that NAS are making that I am missing? 

Do you see this as censorship? I don’t, it’s just about a choice of platform, not silencing people, a kin to choosing to stand on this box or that box instead. But censorship happens everywhere on the political spectrum anyway…. Left, right, etc.

Sorry for my speculative tone, I will stop guessing and eagerly await the clarity you will provide… 

I agree about the data concerns and about the Grok issues 100%. I think X is a cesspool of verbal abuse and hatred from all corners of the political spectrum. 

However, it is worth noting that very few of the people currently complaining about and leaving the site had any issues with it when it was Twitter. During this time it was an extremely left leaning site, run by Jack Dorsey and consistently censoring right wing voices and deleting their accounts. Now, under Musk, it has gone to the opposite extreme. In my view both extremes are very harmful 

Cheese_and_Biscuits said:

inclusivity and empowerment are qualities to be aspired to from all positions on the political spectrum, no?

Inclusivity and empowerment are very vague terms that are overused these days and actually mean very little. 

Who are we including and, more importantly, who are we empowering? Not every group in society should be empowered surely? We don't want to empower football hooligans for instance. 

As for inclusivity, that is another very vague term. I agree that no one should be excluded due to race, disability, sexuality etc. However, the terms inclusivity and empowerment have gone so far beyond that basic good intention now. If everything is accepted and everyone included in everything regardless of their actions and choices then we create a society that has no moral framework to work from and no idea of any behaviours or actions that are deemed acceptable or unacceptable. In a society like that people become obsessed with themselves and their own rights to the point of forgetting to put others first. The sanctity of the self overwhelms our traditional belief in putting others first and sacrificing our own wants and desires in the service of our families, neighbours and communities. Sadly, that is the society we now find ourselves in and the main reason why people seem so unhappy in our modern world 

I think the biggest problem with places like X and free speech absolutism of the kind espoused by Musk and his ilk, is that all about freedoms and responsibilities are ignored. If we want a society free from outside regulation and censorship, then we have to accept that we have a responsibility with how we use our freedoms. We might be free to hold a certain opinion, but others are equally free to hold thiers, the responsibility comes in when we express these opinions, we must expect to be challenged and questioned, to have to make a reasoned case for our beliefs and listen to those of others. What we shouldn't do is jump up and down playing the victim card because someone disagrees with you, nor should anyone's first resort be to accusations of insanity, deviant sexual practices or percieved deviant sexual practices, threats of violence etc that form so much of our discourse.

People need to learn to own their feelings and beliefs, personal, spiritual and political, and put them forward in a positive, "I believe/think that..." as oposed to " you must be a mad son of a lady dog to think that, you twisted sexual act".

It's our collective responsibility to decide what sort of society we want to live in, do we want abuse of women and children to be common place and allowed? Do we want a world where anyone who dosen't conform to hetronormative is subject to abuse and attempts to make them change or to make them criminal? 

I admit its harder with the views of some religions who are exptremely absolutest in what they believe na dwhat they believe their god wants, but whilst we might respect thier right to believe those things for themselves, do we believe they have the right to try and force them on everybody else? 

I think the biggest problem with places like X and free speech absolutism of the kind espoused by Musk and his ilk, is that all about freedoms and responsibilities are ignored. If we want a society free from outside regulation and censorship, then we have to accept that we have a responsibility with how we use our freedoms. We might be free to hold a certain opinion, but others are equally free to hold thiers, the responsibility comes in when we express these opinions, we must expect to be challenged and questioned, to have to make a reasoned case for our beliefs and listen to those of others. What we shouldn't do is jump up and down playing the victim card because someone disagrees with you, nor should anyone's first resort be to accusations of insanity, deviant sexual practices or percieved deviant sexual practices, threats of violence etc that form so much of our discourse.

People need to learn to own their feelings and beliefs, personal, spiritual and political, and put them forward in a positive, "I believe/think that..." as oposed to " you must be a mad son of a lady dog to think that, you twisted sexual act".

It's our collective responsibility to decide what sort of society we want to live in, do we want abuse of women and children to be common place and allowed? Do we want a world where anyone who dosen't conform to hetronormative is subject to abuse and attempts to make them change or to make them criminal? 

I admit its harder with the views of some religions who are exptremely absolutest in what they believe na dwhat they believe their god wants, but whilst we might respect thier right to believe those things for themselves, do we believe they have the right to try and force them on everybody else?