Body language, initiation of intimacy and autism

It is no revelation that autistic men find initiating romantic/sexual relationships more difficult than allistic men and that autistic women are more liable to suffer abuse in romantic/sexual relationships than allistic women.

After reading through 'The Definitive Book of Body Language' (Allan and Barbara Pease, Orion Publishing) I think I have gained some further insight into both problems. Many years ago I worked out that I had some sort of deficit in initiating relationships and did some research into body language, largely because I think I had good verbal skills and could even flash out the occasional witty remark that made people, including women, laugh, so my problem seemed to lie elsewhere. I had to root around in books and journals to get a working, though intellectual, grasp of body language, so I would recommend this book to anyone wishing to hone their body language skills. It being a 'one stop shop'.

It is generally perceived that men make the running in approaching women. However, this is not how it works in reality. The majority of men will not approach a woman unless they receive prior signals that their approach would be welcomed. Around 90% of flirtatious encounters are initiated by women. Unfortunately, the signals made by women, which are overwhelmingly subconscious, are very subtle, so much so that even some allistic men have trouble decoding them accurately. The subtlety of the invitation is, I think, the root of the different problems of both men and women.

Autistic men will have great trouble recognising these subtle body language signals, so will have no idea whether or not to approach a woman. Autistic women may not be able to accurately send out the appropriate signals.

Autistic men are either unlikely to make any approach at all, despite being signalled to, or make approaches to totally unreceptive women. No wonder autistic men have difficulties.

I said earlier that most men will not make an approach without being signalled to, however a minority of men will approach essentially any woman that they find attractive. For them it is a numbers game, they will get a lot of rejection, but will occasionally succeed. For autistic women who have defective abilities in signalling their interest, it will be the minority of men who approach any woman who will tend to approach them, I would suggest that this minority of men, who seem to be indifferent to the feelings of others, would tend to include a higher proportion of potential abusers.

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  • I find that in the first contact situations where women do give a subtle signal then the responses can be wildly different depending on the location, the company they are in and what they have been influenced by reading/watching recently, not to mention the state of their hormones.

    The exact same person who I know in passing has made made 2 different responses in initial contact situations with me that are more than a little contradictory. For example.

    I know her from the gym we both go to - she wears quite revealing clothes so I avoid looking at her unless we are taking over the weights machine we are using (I don't want to come across as a creep). We also sometimes share the same local restaurant that has a buffet lunch so I will say hello to her there as she has a few more clothes on.

    In very much the same setting I ask her how she is and some days I'll get ignored, some days she will be very friendly and some days positively flirty. Where we have sat and chatted it is pot luck as to how she behaves - sometimes she is distant and uninterested and it takes a lot of work to get her to smile while other days she will tell me that she asks what happened to all the manly men out there.

    There are definite flirting overtones at times and I'm tempted to ask her out but then I realise that if this behaviour is an indicator of her real personality then I'm not touching that with a bargepole.

    As males we have been told for years to stop approaching women for dating - they would rather meet a bear in the woods than a man etc etc, then these same people complain that they are not being approached by men for dates anymore.

    I feel it more confusing than ever - I realise that everyone i different but why are so many women so contradictory in similar situations.

    I can see that once a company can come up with an AI girlfriend robot / sex doll then there will be a lot more men chosing this than the crazy dating scene.

  • There is a theory that the signalling that women give out, as well as being subtle, can be deliberately ambiguous. It is a form of testing, designed to manipulate the man into revealing the extent of his interest and potential reliability.

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  • There is a theory that the signalling that women give out, as well as being subtle, can be deliberately ambiguous. It is a form of testing, designed to manipulate the man into revealing the extent of his interest and potential reliability.

    I suspect that the part of the feminist movement that has been telling men to stop approaching women has just put paid to a lot of this behaviour (the response by men).

    And don't get me started when a women says she wants the man to "take charge" on a date - what the heck does this mean and why are they wanting us to break the new social rules that have been expressed to us so bluntly?

    Why can't we agree who does what then just get on with it. I'm happy to do all the organising etc but to expect me to be an authoritarian role is just not on. 

    And what about splitting the bill. I try to propose that I get the first bill as I proposed the date but after that we find an equal balance. Equal rights suggest I should not be trying to "buy" favours this way but equal rights implies it should always be split. Some women get upset at the idea they are expected to pay for anything - what the heck am I supposed to do that does not upset someone?