Equality - what is it?

I've always thought it would be good to have a more equal society. I don't understand why people think it's ok for some to be rich due to inherited wealth or because of the family they were born into or what school they attended or because they got 'famous'. I also don't understand why most people just seem to accept the fact that there is such a huge discrepancy between the highest paid and lowest paid workers. 

I'm a bit of a weirdo politics wise - I strongly support freedom and personal choice & independence, but I'm also a socialist in many ways as I believe a society should take care of its vulnerable members and I also like the idea of cooperatives and nationalised industries, where many benefit rather than a select few. I don't want to get into a politics debate, this is just to explain what some of my beliefs and ideas are behind my ponderings.

I know it's difficult to determine exactly what is meant by a fair and equal society. Is it fair that a doctor gets paid more than a builder? We need doctors, but we also need homes. Is it fair that someone gets paid loads because they are intelligent and got a law degree, while someone else with a lower IQ works two minimum wage jobs to just barely make ends meet? Should everyone be paid the same rate per hour?  Is it ok for some to live in tiny cramped flats while others live in huge houses and some have multiple homes?

I'm not expecting anything to change - I've accepted that the world is what it is. But just as a theoretical exercise, if human society were to be re-started how would you structure it to make things more equal? Or do you think there shouldn't be equality - that some should be rewarded more for things like having a degree or being skilled at acting or playing a sport?

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  • I'm not expecting anything to change - I've accepted that the world is what it is

    There goes much of your solution. The vast majority of people think similarly. Did Gandhi not say, "Be the change you want to see in the world", or something similar? 

    From my perspective, it is impossible to achieve any form of equality after the 'property is theft' discussion and even more impossible once capitalism is unleashed. Biologically, the species is hardwired for perseverance.

  • There goes much of your solution. The vast majority of people think similarly. Did Gandhi not say, "Be the change you want to see in the world", or something similar? 

    What will make it very hard for most autists is our lack of "spoons" to be able to deal with the extra hassle that being the change brings with it.

    Many of us struggle with changes to routine, conflict or trauma which makes us particularly poor at being that change.

    For most I suspect that simply being alive and accepting some of the way the world is will be as much as they can aspire to.

    From my perspective, it is impossible to achieve any form of equality

    Fundamentally we are not equal though. Men and women are physically and pysiologically different so cannot be truly qual. Autists and NTs have very different was of experiencing the same environment meaning we cannot be equal. An old man and a teenage boy are also very different in their capabilities through their physical body and experience so they cannot be equal.

    The list goes on.

    In life we can only really hope for fair, not equal in the vast majority of things.

  • I want the world to be a better place and I know that it has to start with me, so any small thing I can do is good, whether its reaching a tin for a short person from a high superamrket shelf, to do something a bit nore long term and intense I try to do it, whilst at the same time looking afer myself. I think if we all do small acts of kindness then the world does get better and more equal because theres just less aggravation around and more people are willing to challenge those who cause aggravation.

  • I think expanding the skill base of your people should be of benefit to you all, if people who work  on the building side of your business understand the office side of things then they're more likely to be patient when the office side of things has a problem. If the office staff have experience of the building end, then they will appreciate the logistics of site management and how that works. Everybody would gain skills, somebody who thinks they're no good at "academic" stuff might find that in the right context they are, my Dad for example, would run a mile if you gave him a set of sums, but if you asked him to measure up a room and work out how many rolls of wallpaper would be needed to decorate it he'd be fine. You may find that each side of your business, understanding the other, could bing more eficiency and a whole new wa of working and understanding?

    My take has always been, different therefore equal, we should value the bin collector as much as a doctor, a man as much as a woman. I look forward to the day when we stop seeing male people, gay people, woman people, disabled people etc and just see people, all of whom have something to offer, most of whom never reach their potential through lack of encouragement, money or paucity of the ambitions of the others for them, such as teacher and parents who stymie us.

    On the whole women seem to have a better eye for detail and can mulitask better than most men, so a woman would most likely be a good project manager. Not all will, some wont' be able to cope either emotionally or physcially, but isn't that the same for men? Equality of possibility should be a goal for every business and we'd all be much richer for it.

    I've worked in some traditionally male areas, like building dry stone walls and stuff, I've found that once past the initial scepticism of having a woman working along side them, as long as the men can see you're willing to get stuck in and dirty, they just accept you. They start appologising during breaks for saying something a bit rude, so my response was to say something even ruder and funnier. Theres always one or two who will feel that his testicles are in danger if he see's a woman lugging a sack of cement around, but the other guys often just laugh at him. Another thing, these guys that freak out at a woman lugging a sack of cement or something about and think its to heavy or unfeminine, are quite happy for a woman to lug a small child, a buggy and some shopping about, the chld buggy and shopping weigh more than a 25kg sack of cement too!

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  • I think expanding the skill base of your people should be of benefit to you all, if people who work  on the building side of your business understand the office side of things then they're more likely to be patient when the office side of things has a problem. If the office staff have experience of the building end, then they will appreciate the logistics of site management and how that works. Everybody would gain skills, somebody who thinks they're no good at "academic" stuff might find that in the right context they are, my Dad for example, would run a mile if you gave him a set of sums, but if you asked him to measure up a room and work out how many rolls of wallpaper would be needed to decorate it he'd be fine. You may find that each side of your business, understanding the other, could bing more eficiency and a whole new wa of working and understanding?

    My take has always been, different therefore equal, we should value the bin collector as much as a doctor, a man as much as a woman. I look forward to the day when we stop seeing male people, gay people, woman people, disabled people etc and just see people, all of whom have something to offer, most of whom never reach their potential through lack of encouragement, money or paucity of the ambitions of the others for them, such as teacher and parents who stymie us.

    On the whole women seem to have a better eye for detail and can mulitask better than most men, so a woman would most likely be a good project manager. Not all will, some wont' be able to cope either emotionally or physcially, but isn't that the same for men? Equality of possibility should be a goal for every business and we'd all be much richer for it.

    I've worked in some traditionally male areas, like building dry stone walls and stuff, I've found that once past the initial scepticism of having a woman working along side them, as long as the men can see you're willing to get stuck in and dirty, they just accept you. They start appologising during breaks for saying something a bit rude, so my response was to say something even ruder and funnier. Theres always one or two who will feel that his testicles are in danger if he see's a woman lugging a sack of cement around, but the other guys often just laugh at him. Another thing, these guys that freak out at a woman lugging a sack of cement or something about and think its to heavy or unfeminine, are quite happy for a woman to lug a small child, a buggy and some shopping about, the chld buggy and shopping weigh more than a 25kg sack of cement too!

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