Culture wars

We keep being told, especially by right wing political parties that our Judeo-Christian western culture and values are under threat from various places mostly Islam, but then I think they forget that Islam has the same roots as Chrisitianity and Judaism, they see the old testament as thier foundation too.

But are we really are we really a christian country anymore? I know a couple of people who go to church, but from what I see very few people actually identify as christian, I certainly don't. I agree that many of our values such as democracy and stuff have grown up alongside christianity and often in spite of it, but I see many of those values as having thier roots in secularism.

I also think that a lot of what's put forward as culture wars are really just a bunch of people who are too lazy to think about the feelings of others, who want to hurt others and proscribe thier liberties and choices. A survey I saw some years ago reckoned that for many middle aged white men 20% representation of groups other than thier's was anough for them to feel some sort of existential threat. In other words, they no longer have the privilages that they believe and have been brought up to believe belong to them.

One of the questions that keeps coming back to me is, what are these western judeo-christian values supposed to be? As an historian, when I look at the conversion periods of several countries I see a removal of rights, proscription of behaviours beliefs and parctices and enforcement of others often at sword point or other threats of violence. I'm thinking particulalry of the fate of one of the worlds greatest mathmaticians, Hypatia of Alexandria, set upon and flayed publically with pot sherds for daring to be an intelligent woman, or Iceland and Lituania who were told to convert to christianity or face invasion, this was all before the Crusades of which we are encouraged to revel in.

As I say I think modern western values have happened despite christianity not because of it and various church groups have co-opted them so as they can attempt to stay relevant when people get sick of the hypocracy.

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  • I thought this might be useful.

    Ethnicity stats for the UK (rather than personal perceptions).

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/

  • I have come to trust the evidence of my own eyes more than I trust Government statistics. 

    When they stop lying about the really important stuff, I might start finding them more credible.

    I'm sorry I'm like this, it places a gulf between me and a lot of people on many subjects. 

    That and the Autism...

  • I have come to trust the evidence of my own eyes more than I trust Government statistics. 

    If your eyes can only take in a tiny fraction of the country / people / events then basing your opinion off this statistically insignificant value seems an odd stance to take.

    This is based on what you can see first hand of course.

    If you rely on any form of media then you already need to accept that there will be bias, ineptitude, sometimes malice and often just lazy reporting to factor into the trustworthiness of the data.

    Any government is also of dubious intent but they at least run the risk of being caught out and taken to task by the law over it in principle at least.

    I have come to realise there is no way to find the "truth" but only guess at an approximation of it.

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  • I have come to trust the evidence of my own eyes more than I trust Government statistics. 

    If your eyes can only take in a tiny fraction of the country / people / events then basing your opinion off this statistically insignificant value seems an odd stance to take.

    This is based on what you can see first hand of course.

    If you rely on any form of media then you already need to accept that there will be bias, ineptitude, sometimes malice and often just lazy reporting to factor into the trustworthiness of the data.

    Any government is also of dubious intent but they at least run the risk of being caught out and taken to task by the law over it in principle at least.

    I have come to realise there is no way to find the "truth" but only guess at an approximation of it.

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