Does any one with ASD have problems reasoning with non ASD people . I think we think logically but they don’t feel like my mind works on a higher level and people thing we are unreasonable
Does any one with ASD have problems reasoning with non ASD people . I think we think logically but they don’t feel like my mind works on a higher level and people thing we are unreasonable
Absolutely. I have spent my life wondering why others cant see the solutions to problems that are obvious to me.Also I take time to think things through. If someone asks me to make a decision I have to tell them I need to think about it. The idea that you do something because "we've always done it that way" is just one of the allistics (non-autistic) "disabilities". Also, being the majority they believe that their way of thinking is superior. Being able to think,as we do, is one of our special talents. Without is we would all still be living in caves.
This is definitely true.
For me it's an issue of slowness. I can think deeply and rationally on a topic - let's say a problem-solving thing like best transport solution for a group to go to [such and such a place]. Reach a conclusion, share this conclusion, others disagree "that's obviously wrong, the normal way of getting there is [x]". There's an inherent sense of superiority on their part and me trying to counter this with logic and the colossal effort to articulate my reasoning is just too much. So I'll end up feeling frustrated, cede my position, and gradually attempt less and less problem solving on future occasions.
I think that it is more a problem of COMMUNICATING one's own reasoning, rather than the REASONING itself.
I struggle to communicate both my reasoning, and my intent behind that reasoning.
That struggle is not solely limited to NT folk.
I note from my experiences and observations in this place, that autistic souls struggle with communication amongst themselves too.
Yes I do too Star :-) So naturally I wonder why? Working on a higher level - well it may be that personally may not be so easily satisfied by an "easy answer" as it appears to me many non-ASD people are. I have considered this in context of how emotion may be confounding cognition - it is a general consideration that people do see what they do not want to see and that is perhaps part of the problem. Therefore in reasoning with others there is the factor of considering how to also address the desire/motivation for understanding that is perhaps also worth factoring in to things. Personally speaking for me there is the issue as well that I also am subject to not seeing that which I do not wish to see as well... This confounds my own reasoning and interactions sometimes and therefore how I reason with others. Part of the diagnosis of ASD comes with identification of personal limitations that for one reason or another one may not have been aware of and indeed may be unaware of still. Take for example one's capacity to tolerate stress. There is an interesting phenomenon called the Kruger-Dunning effect whilst shows that people with the lowest capability in an area have the highest confidence in their own ability. I figured personally that since I had experienced so much stress in life and had many strategies for managing it then I was pretty good at it - hehe the objective evidence of my capacity in that field is far from demonstrating that to be true! I guess being reasonable for me involves rational reasoning that is biased both on my being autistic and my personal experience, knowledge and perspective. I'd like to think I "change my mind" well in response to conscious rational analysis more than most (but in truth I'm not sure that I do) I am certain that non-ASD people I encounter who appear to do so subconsciously and more easily than I do Ironically working hard cognitively to "change my mind" appears to help me do it more than non-ASD people appear to do in my encounters with them. I think that for non-ASD people their access to this sort of "meta-analysis" may not be quite so practiced because their internal/societal world view and interaction does not require it of them as much as it does for me. It is not just you, me and TheCatWoman that think this tho' : a reasonable body of scientific research evidence "out there" would appear to support the analysis that ASD people are more rational in some domains than non-ASD people(and naturally some that confounds it... ) is worth digging into maybe if you are further interested. Overall it's mostly about "what you don't know you don't know" and how this is dealt with by people of all sorts that this topic hangs on perhaps? Does this make sense?
I don't know that our brains work on a higher level, but they certainly work on a different level. I don't really think logically, I'm more of an organic thinker and feelings led.
