How do you feel about the saying "if you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best"?

This is no attempt to demonise anyone who may use this. I don't know how common it is within autism spaces anyway, but I know that I've felt this sentiment before many times. If you (friend, family member etc) are not there for me when I'm struggling, then I find it difficult to accept you being there when I'm not.

On the flip side, I know that people's worst can be difficult to tolerate sometimes, depending on what it is. My all-time worst was, on the one hand, not something that I could have feasibly expected people to understand or stick with me through, but it was still extremely isolating.

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  • If your worst is more than I can (or am prepared to) handle, then I'm simply not interested in your "best", go do it somewhere else!

    There's a place for everyone in the world, so why does it have to be MY place? 

    In my own case I am currently on close moderation and on my best behaviour, and apparently my best behaviour is still not good enough, let alone my poorer behaviour, (which reminds me of my childhood OFC) so if I observe my own standard, I need to either sucessffully moderate my behaviour, or leave this place and go do my thing somewhere else..  

    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, is both true, and also a maxim that inevitably leads to discrimination and penalties being applied to those who would invade your space and behave objectionably.

    As is happening in my case, and to a few other forum members right now. I'm not actually complaining about that, but I am inclined to complain when the "few" have manage to arbitraily change the rules and cutsoms under which the many have been operating fairly happily. 

    The biggest example of this being the actual nation in which I was born, of course! The second biggest being Germany which I've had the opportunity to vist regularly for 20 years, and I have watched the bit I go to transition from "England in the sixties" to "England in the eighties". as Europe transitions from a set of monolithic societes to a "multicultrual mode". 

    The german people I speak to about the progress of their country are like Brits in the 1970's and 80s', most are cluess about the bigger picture and just struggling to cope with the changes as they are happening, a few are indignant and trying to reverse the process.

    As an old person I have had the opportuntiy to watch the 20 year cycle of destruction of public standards and safety in TWO countries now. The first time I could not see the wood for the trees, but the second time around watching Germany fall, has been really, truly, eye opening.  

    Barbra Lerner Specter and others tell me that these changes I have witnessed over my life are planned events, not accidents, nearly everyone else tells me that I am wrong to even speak of what I have witnessed, and that my personal opinions formed as a result of my observations may actually be illegal!! 

    My "worst" is to be telling the truth that many people would prefer we did not look at. I have watched two once prosperopus and generally "nice" and pleasant, high value, high trust societies go down the toilet in twenty year cycles the same way, and according to a published agenda.

    I am offering no opinions, I've got a photographic record spanning the second decline so I've not imagined it. People in government and quangos are always talking about the changes happening in our societies, but for some reason a levelheaded sdicussion of such things rapidly deteriorates into name calling and accusations of "hate speech".

    Admittedly that isn't helped by the hotheads, who might become aware of what is happening and get all angry about it and do violence and criminal damage. The only thing I currently have in common with such people is a sense of personal loss,

    I do have some difficulty in adapting my thinking to the new society being formed at great speed in front of me, and to be honest view our leadership with the same affection and trust that I'd invest as a helpless passenger in a pilot who has taken a large dose of LSD, but to push the metaphor a bit further, my fellow passengers are oblivious, I don't have type certification or even familiarity with controlling THIS size and type of aircraft, and people keep telling me to "shut up"! 

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  • If your worst is more than I can (or am prepared to) handle, then I'm simply not interested in your "best", go do it somewhere else!

    There's a place for everyone in the world, so why does it have to be MY place? 

    In my own case I am currently on close moderation and on my best behaviour, and apparently my best behaviour is still not good enough, let alone my poorer behaviour, (which reminds me of my childhood OFC) so if I observe my own standard, I need to either sucessffully moderate my behaviour, or leave this place and go do my thing somewhere else..  

    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, is both true, and also a maxim that inevitably leads to discrimination and penalties being applied to those who would invade your space and behave objectionably.

    As is happening in my case, and to a few other forum members right now. I'm not actually complaining about that, but I am inclined to complain when the "few" have manage to arbitraily change the rules and cutsoms under which the many have been operating fairly happily. 

    The biggest example of this being the actual nation in which I was born, of course! The second biggest being Germany which I've had the opportunity to vist regularly for 20 years, and I have watched the bit I go to transition from "England in the sixties" to "England in the eighties". as Europe transitions from a set of monolithic societes to a "multicultrual mode". 

    The german people I speak to about the progress of their country are like Brits in the 1970's and 80s', most are cluess about the bigger picture and just struggling to cope with the changes as they are happening, a few are indignant and trying to reverse the process.

    As an old person I have had the opportuntiy to watch the 20 year cycle of destruction of public standards and safety in TWO countries now. The first time I could not see the wood for the trees, but the second time around watching Germany fall, has been really, truly, eye opening.  

    Barbra Lerner Specter and others tell me that these changes I have witnessed over my life are planned events, not accidents, nearly everyone else tells me that I am wrong to even speak of what I have witnessed, and that my personal opinions formed as a result of my observations may actually be illegal!! 

    My "worst" is to be telling the truth that many people would prefer we did not look at. I have watched two once prosperopus and generally "nice" and pleasant, high value, high trust societies go down the toilet in twenty year cycles the same way, and according to a published agenda.

    I am offering no opinions, I've got a photographic record spanning the second decline so I've not imagined it. People in government and quangos are always talking about the changes happening in our societies, but for some reason a levelheaded sdicussion of such things rapidly deteriorates into name calling and accusations of "hate speech".

    Admittedly that isn't helped by the hotheads, who might become aware of what is happening and get all angry about it and do violence and criminal damage. The only thing I currently have in common with such people is a sense of personal loss,

    I do have some difficulty in adapting my thinking to the new society being formed at great speed in front of me, and to be honest view our leadership with the same affection and trust that I'd invest as a helpless passenger in a pilot who has taken a large dose of LSD, but to push the metaphor a bit further, my fellow passengers are oblivious, I don't have type certification or even familiarity with controlling THIS size and type of aircraft, and people keep telling me to "shut up"! 

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