"open" and "closed" faces

I discretely observe groups of people socialising while on trains or in cafes etc., trying to understand better what they are doing, and one of my current interests is in the openness or closedness of faces.

I'm perplexed by the attitude of health professionals to the idea that people with ASD are poor at non-verbal communication, and what the significance is of eye contact. Professionals do not seem to see why we have trouble with it. I wonder if people are reading too much into what individual eye movements or facial expressions are saying directly. Perhaps we ought to explore whether what is being conveyed is less concise and more about reasdiness to talk.

Groups of younger people tend to show more facial expression changes. As people grow older they become more reserved about this. I do wonder if one reason young people on the spectrum find it easier to talk to older NTs is that they demand less facial expression change.

An open face, it seems to me, is attentive to social exchange. The frequency and variety of facial movements is quite high, and these are encouraging responses from others. They keep saying "come on, speak to me".

Eye movements, eyebrow movements, different smiles, as well as open arm/hand gestures (hands several feet apart) are conveying they want to hear what the other person has to say.

The actual changes in expression don't seem to be so critical, and different people have different types of expression. It is more about how often these occur.

I've observed that if the connversation runs dry this mechanism is still operating, which may be why people say "wot?" other than deliberately in fun, because the other persons face is still beckoning a reaction, as is theirs.

When I observe people I suppose might be on the spectrum, they often have fixed facial expression. They aren't making these "come on" facial changes. Also they tend to lean forwards and appear challenging or aggressive, and go straight into a dialogue. When I've observed these situations (not to mention experienced them directly), there aren't any preparatory high frequuency facial changes, and the other person's response, being uncertain and wary, or even purposefully not wanting to start a conversation, is equally lacking "openness".

Where NTs become agitated, or aggressive, there is also a dramatic reduction in the frequency of facial changes. While the face conveys challenge, it does so fixedly - a "closed" face.

Therefore I suspect with ASD we often convey challenge rather than "come on - chat to me".

So the reaction of an NT to someone with ASD may not be so much what they say, but a lack of openness signals (and a lack of ability to see the NT isn't conveying openness).

Also, if it is this simple, it may be something that we can learn to emulate or do better.

  • Casual eye contact

    I've found a slight smile helps a lot, [removed by Mod], affirmations, learn to look relaxed in public.. practice in front of a big mirror, like yourself! I do this every day; the 1 rule: no negative thoughts - work at it till ya feel good!

    I've been working on the 'casual eye contact moment' in supermarkets as you approach/pass people.

    Men: I believe it may be possible to gauge how effective my public appearance is within 2 seconds of eye contact, ie: the Smirk..Neutral Scale (Based on subconciously perceived threat).

    Women: Threat or Interest, the Open..Closed Scale (Tougher, but again subconcious, they literally have a different point of view to men.. never forget that women have been and still are persecuted by men driven by fear, looking for control).

    I think that, as people get older, survive the pain of living, they become either more suspicious or understanding.. I study the patterns of laughter/smile..frown/grimace lines on faces, try to spot signs of relaxed muscles around middle-of-eyebrows/outer corners of eyes. I believe that the young are more afraid of beng alone, therefore try harder and look more desperate/comical.

    Odd that 'They' don't sound so different from 'Us'..

  • I presume that this is why I found it so hard to know when to enter a group of girls or when to follow them somewhere? I was often accused of being too 'clingy', and so I ended up with no friends.

  • I remember being baffled by this at school. Girls would swivel their eyes and look incredibly animated, but I could not understand how to emulate this or what it all meant. I think it is this subtle non-verbal social interchange which can be hardest for people with very 'high-functioning' Asperger's, but which is perhaps least understood or studied. We can appear to interact 'normally', ad so our considerable issues with making friends are often overlooked because this subtle lack of social skill is less obvious than the more overt social oddness displayed by people lower down the spectrum.

  • But you know, it's amazing how many apparent NTs will not recognise the vibes and closed face and body language when you don't want to talk.

    The amount of times people start questioning me, which I hate, which is probably their small talk and they don't pick up what can amount to almost frosty vibes you're giving off and one word, clipped answers that I feel show you don't like their questioning or don't want to talk.

  • The NT closed face doesn't lack emotion - will look sullen, bored or pensive but become fairly static otherwise.

    I recognise that some people will not want to engage in receptive facial expressions any more than in small-talk. My objective in raising this was to see if it could help those that do want social contact, or help parents who are concerned about this.

    What is greatly needed are guidelines on how to compensate for social difficulty. Just smiling most of the time has got me by for years (as long as its not a funeral or an otherwise sorrowful moment, it works well enough). I doubt if I could do much to make a difference now, but younger people who don't want to be isolated by this condition, and who want to improve their chances of socialising, may find this useful, especially if they try to observe (discretely) for themselves to find out what to do.

    I think NTs look for sufficient signals to know if conversation is welcome or continues to be welcomed (or if the other person's face has "closed" to further chat). They therefore sustain the open, animated facial expressions for as long as everyone is chatting.

    How far you need to go is difficult to determine. I've seen people with their eyes popping and swivelling all the time, who look totally silly to me, but they're the ones who seem popular company.

    Some are less free with their facial expressions and make more use of their hands and posture to appear energised and interested.

    But the older people get this becomes subtler, and less obvious. You have to look harder for a few discrete muscular twitches that indicate this face is open to chat.

    But my experiments wont reach the professionals - sadly they are too busy trying to achieve research excellence to bother with any practical help for people on the spectrum.

  • @dunk-in-biscuit, that's what I'm like too.  I am either really animated or really blank.

  • I hear what you are saying about learning to emulate the frequency of expressions. One of the hicups though is that I "feel" expressions or gestures are a waste of time and effort. They fall into the same catagory as making small talk and introductions.

    I think that I have also learnt that a closed face means people don't try to talk to you (which I often see as an advantage) so I "cultivate" a closed face to deliberately block coversations.

    I suspect that this is one of my traits that folks find so baffling. One minute I am stony faced and the next ,when there is a topic worth talking about, I become animated and cheerful only to drift off into stony silence again.

    As a continuation to your study, what about those people who are silent, probably busy, but still intrigue and interest people. Are they sending out signals?

    Dunk