Tirbes, are you tribal?

Following on from another thread we were discussing tribes and how people affiliate themselves with certain groups and if as Autistic people we view things as tribally as NT's?

I've noticed that a lot of people like to be part of a group or team and can be very anti those of us who arn't.

Do you think Autistic people are tribal?

What tribes or not do you feel you belong to or would like to belong to?

What stops you from being part of a tribe?

|For me I'm not really a part of any tribe, partly because I don't want to give up my identity, individuality or authenticity and it seems to me that to be part of a tribe you have to be at least willing to give up any or all of those. Partly it's because like Groucho Marx, I wouldn't want to be part of any club that would have someone like me as a member. I've been on the edges of various tribes over the years, I've never been fully part of one for many reasons, age, social class, economic reasons, religious reasons all sorts, but the odd thing is that I'm often sort of chosen as a leader. Maybe it me and my big gob again, never fearing to stand where angels fear to tread, (or maybe I just don't see the warning signs), speaking truth to power because it never occurs to me thats what I'm doing, being able to put up a good reason or excuse for doing or not doing something. I think someone like me must be hell for people who like to see themselves as leaders because I think I was born with an anarchy gene. I've got into all sort of touble over the years and I rarely know what it is I'm supposed to have done.

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  • Unfortunately, all humans are tribal. We can't escape it as it's part of our nature. There is strength in numbers and everyone does have an internal need to feel a sense of belonging. As infants, we would die if abandoned (this is not true for other animals). Think of this in reverse impact: rejection can create a great deal of psychological trauma as a consequence.

    The issue isn't black and white, but to what degree one can withstand not Belonging. 

    To feel secure or grounded in more extreme isolation might actually be a Natural Ability - to the degree that most people in our Typical population are potentially disabled. Jung wrote a great deal on his concept of The Mask, which is actually this "intuitive blending in" with everyone else, and the concept also includes: 1. the inability to remove this mask without years or decades of emotional work and 2. the external mask as the more true and unique self. Behind it is an individual who is connected into (or disintegrating into) a collective consciousness. Hard-wired in, as it were, without choice or knowledge. And apparently, in psychology, there is a strong agreement that the Wire (one cannot break from) is an unshakable sense of guilt and indebtedness (not gratitude, but literally, in-debt).

    Autistics will always be on the margins for not having this particular 'wiring' which dominates the Neuro-Typical experience, and is most likely at the heart of the structure polarising Autistic from Non-Autistic perceiving, reasoning and understanding: Tribal belonging. This is the bias behind the double empathy problem, as well. 

    Apparently this is part of strengthened left-brain 'wiring' for social linguistics. It's connected to Language (language can be music, gestures, all kinds of expression, not just mouth words). It's often been discussed as being 'encoded' into human thinking. Take the collective consciousness a step further: collective thought. A neurologist has found that in a group effort, brain waves sync up. Autistics "appear" to think outside-the-box for, basically - not being wired on the Neurotypical "radio frequency". 

    There have always existed variations of differences. Jung invented the personality archetypes as a way to help bridge misunderstanding. However, this particular difference is probably the most misunderstood. Not feeling a sense of telepathy in a room, but having to synthetically evaluate and work out conscious ways to fit in. I do believe there is an evolutionary purpose, but one needs to grow in wisdom when they don't have an automatic sense of 'being too connected' to everyone else. 

    It's human to need to Belong and one can do just as much good with that desire as bad. We form tribes in small family units, in community groups and in Countries. Even capitalistic ventures use branding to create affiliations and a 'false' sense of tribal belonging to sell their products... tribes are everywhere. The upside to Autism is we can literally pick where we'd like to invest our time. 

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    I want to add, NTs don't necessarily 'go along' with orders blindly or ignorantly. Being wired the way they are simply implies a different way of thinking which prioritises the social collective, the group outweighs anything else- I genuinely see it as a human nature element, which also needs wisdom to notice when it's all gone horribly wrong. There is a strong chance 99% of us who are autistic here, might not sacrifice a "truth" for the sake of the group when it really matters, but we're not special LOL - we're just not wired the same way. 

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  • Unfortunately, all humans are tribal. We can't escape it as it's part of our nature. There is strength in numbers and everyone does have an internal need to feel a sense of belonging. As infants, we would die if abandoned (this is not true for other animals). Think of this in reverse impact: rejection can create a great deal of psychological trauma as a consequence.

    The issue isn't black and white, but to what degree one can withstand not Belonging. 

    To feel secure or grounded in more extreme isolation might actually be a Natural Ability - to the degree that most people in our Typical population are potentially disabled. Jung wrote a great deal on his concept of The Mask, which is actually this "intuitive blending in" with everyone else, and the concept also includes: 1. the inability to remove this mask without years or decades of emotional work and 2. the external mask as the more true and unique self. Behind it is an individual who is connected into (or disintegrating into) a collective consciousness. Hard-wired in, as it were, without choice or knowledge. And apparently, in psychology, there is a strong agreement that the Wire (one cannot break from) is an unshakable sense of guilt and indebtedness (not gratitude, but literally, in-debt).

    Autistics will always be on the margins for not having this particular 'wiring' which dominates the Neuro-Typical experience, and is most likely at the heart of the structure polarising Autistic from Non-Autistic perceiving, reasoning and understanding: Tribal belonging. This is the bias behind the double empathy problem, as well. 

    Apparently this is part of strengthened left-brain 'wiring' for social linguistics. It's connected to Language (language can be music, gestures, all kinds of expression, not just mouth words). It's often been discussed as being 'encoded' into human thinking. Take the collective consciousness a step further: collective thought. A neurologist has found that in a group effort, brain waves sync up. Autistics "appear" to think outside-the-box for, basically - not being wired on the Neurotypical "radio frequency". 

    There have always existed variations of differences. Jung invented the personality archetypes as a way to help bridge misunderstanding. However, this particular difference is probably the most misunderstood. Not feeling a sense of telepathy in a room, but having to synthetically evaluate and work out conscious ways to fit in. I do believe there is an evolutionary purpose, but one needs to grow in wisdom when they don't have an automatic sense of 'being too connected' to everyone else. 

    It's human to need to Belong and one can do just as much good with that desire as bad. We form tribes in small family units, in community groups and in Countries. Even capitalistic ventures use branding to create affiliations and a 'false' sense of tribal belonging to sell their products... tribes are everywhere. The upside to Autism is we can literally pick where we'd like to invest our time. 

    _____

    I want to add, NTs don't necessarily 'go along' with orders blindly or ignorantly. Being wired the way they are simply implies a different way of thinking which prioritises the social collective, the group outweighs anything else- I genuinely see it as a human nature element, which also needs wisdom to notice when it's all gone horribly wrong. There is a strong chance 99% of us who are autistic here, might not sacrifice a "truth" for the sake of the group when it really matters, but we're not special LOL - we're just not wired the same way. 

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