“What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger” Is An Outdated Statement That Has No Basis In Reality And Stems From White Supremacy

“What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is an outdated statement that has no basis in reality. I don’t think damaging someone’s mind with something like trauma is making someone stronger but impairing them for the rest of their lives. Stress eventually does kill people because it weakens a person’s body by increasing their heart rate and weakening their immune systems making them more susceptible to infection or other diseases like cancer, teeth decay, etc. and that sure isn’t making anyone stronger.

The truth is that what doesn’t kill can either eventually kill you in the end or leave you mentally damaged for the rest of your life. I know the statement is a manipulation tactic that is forced upon the population to try and make everyone the same by making having emotions and being upset and hurt by something as a weakness due to toxic masculinity, misogyny and racism that was created by cis white straight male supremacy.

Honestly a lot of our social “norms”, like not holding people accountable, and stuff like this all can be pinpointed back to cis white straight male supremacy and as an Autistic who’s also Hispanic (I’m half Puerto Rican so not only have I dealt with discrimination for being gay and Autistic, I have also had to deal with racism), I see this a lot more clearly than allistics, neurotypicals and even white Autistics that a lot of ideologies in both the UK and the US (where I am from) come from white colonizers who forced their way of thinking onto those who didn’t conform to what they think is how people should function.

Indigenous and Hispanics have pretty much had their history erased. With Puerto Ricans, for example, our original Indigenous ancestry has gone extinct due to colonization by the Spaniards so there’s no way to know how Indigenous people of the Americas once lived before being forced to live with cis white straight male supremacy ideologies on how a society should be. For all we know the indigenous people of America held people accountable for their actions and had them make things right.

I mean seriously when you look throughout history with cis white straight male supremacy its always about not holding cis white men accountable for their actions, whether that’s colonization, the enslavement of an entire ethnic group, forcing their religious beliefs on everyone and so on and so forth.

My point is a lot of our “social norms” are cis white straight male supremacy ideologies that have always been for the benefit of anyone but minority groups, things like “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” has a deep ties to racism and misogyny when you look at our history. Think about it, before women had to be married to a man and couldn’t divorce him at all for any reason, regardless of if they were r*ped, beaten, cheated on, etc. women had to be “strong” housewives and sit there and endure and conform to that despite the mental harm and trauma they endured and I wouldn’t be surprised if many ended up dead because of it, whether by murder or stress eventually killing them.

So yeah the whole “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is just outdated and has heavy ties to cis white straight male supremacy. As an Autistic person who’s also two other minority groups (gay and Hispanic), particularly one that has to deal with racism and white supremacy, this gets used to justify racism, homophobia and even the bigotry and mistreatment of Autistic people, and they can lead to other mental health problems such as anxiety, depression due to low self-esteem, fear for ones life, mistrust in authority figures like police or the justice systems in majority white countries, most, if not all, are rigged against BIPOC and mentally disabled people, and when you Autism into the mix, yeah just none is a good combination to deal with…

  • but yet take that and apply it to the islamic terror attacks and everyone saying all muslims are terrorists and not liking them for it.... so you understand that then do you? ....youd understand then people who dislike muslims is what your saying by your dog statement? lol as its the same thing... people that judge muslims based on the terror attacks we grew up seeing is the same as the dog hating all men for being attacked.... but let me guess your radically opposed and unwilling to understand people who view muslims as terror threats based on that history?

  • I am not too sure about your reply to be totally honest.

    The OP definitely colludes two thought processes, his own suffering for being different in multiple ways, and cultural suffering for being non-white, non-male, non-cis. It is definitely food for thought and should be given time to digest, rather than choosing to take personal offence and becoming emotive.

    Looking into history, white male Christian cis controllers have fucked up a lot. Cultures were annihilated, people prosecuted and murdered in a sporting fashion. Our understanding of ethics and morality today have fortunately changed for the better, however the point that the OP is making, in that a lot of irreversible damage has been done, is valid. 

    Today we know that tolerance, inclusion and acceptance are highly valued, but this was not so for the vast majority of the past 2000 years. And so I think your allegory of the Twin Towers and the political rhetoric are misplaced.

    The point I that was making was the issue of colluding individual suffering and using generalised terms. And taking the following allegory from applied psychology I find the OP has a valid reason, although it is debatable. Take a dog that has been mistreated by his owner. The owner is an adult male. The dog gets rescued, and the rescue centre give it all the TLC that can be offered and prepares it for rehoming. Despite all the love and nurture given the dog still has the trauma which is triggered by any adult male it encounters. It adopts the behaviour commonly known as 'once burnt twice shy and better safe than sorry', and although it was mistreated by just ONE male adult, it applies its passive-aggressive behaviour towards ALL male adults.

    I personally have full understanding for the dog, not for the male adults that take personal offence and think 'wtf is wrong with that dog'

     

  • Your response is admirable however we are a community of people who come from every ethnicity, gender and religion. We are all marginalized by every ethnicity, gender and religion.

    You are trying to play mediator to a group of victims from the majority of society in every possible reality.

    How can you defend someone trying to claim victim-hood to the majority on a site that understands society is against them?

    The OP is WRONG. One does not come to the victims of reality to complain about the victims being perpetrators.

    Someone else with logical skills please correct me if I'm wrong!

    Would you call a person jumping out of the Twin Towers a coward because dying from falling was less painful than being burned alive?

    This whole thread is utter trash to any Autistic person with a brain. This is far left BS in which everyone is a victim without context or knowledge of history by the OP, coming to a place of victims trying to blame victims for their reality.

    The OP is either delusional or brainwashed by society. Who comes to a tower of people about to be burned by incendiary, who chose to jump to escape the reality of their fate?

    That is exactly what they did. They came to a site of every ethnicity and gender, marginalized by ALL of society, tried to divided them on race and gender and make themselves a victim of the 3rd degree.

    It's not only wrong, it's ABUSIVE.

    The people here are already victims of society. We are not going to sit by and let some vampire come along to try to suck our hellish lives into their victim-hood by dividing us by ethnicity, religion or whatever else and pander to their self imposed victim-hood.

    If I'm wrong, vote me down. Regardless I stand against this BS of a post where someone is coming here to seek victim-hood of the FAR FAR FAR left on a site that does not judge others because WE ARE ALL in this together. 

  • Yes, I agree with you that the saying 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' has been abused by either individuals or groups in order to sustain their sense of superiority, power and control over others that they believe are different to them. It is downright mental bullying, and a euphemistic way to say 'look at you, you are weak, you will never be one like us, so it is your fault that you can't cope with us and suffer'. In the same way people used to say 'big boys don't cry', 'grow a thick skin', or where I grew up in Germany 'an Indian (sic! Native American) knows no pain'

    I am saddened that some readers take offence. Yes, you have lashed out onto those in generalised terms who have robbed or denied you of your identity, and the acts of those who have done this are unforgivable. Your hurt is more than obvious.

    So is the hurt of those who feel offended, and unfortunately it seems to me that the camp of readers here is deeply divided between those who are deeply hurt and those who are for whatsoever reason unable to put themselves into the others' hurt.

    I am white, 3rd generation immigrant British, straight and come from a monotheistic background. During my mid-life crisis I gradually added another label to my identity - Autistic. I grew up in Germany and was ostracised (sometimes aggressively but most often passively) for non being German. I was ostracised (more aggressively than passively) for my Autistic traits and behaviours. I had to learn the lesson that you cannot change others and make you accept or like you. A lot of people are caught up in their hectic lives that they don't give their brains time to readjust to those who are different - neurodivergent, gay, different cultural or ethnic background or the way they dress, speak, walk etc. And besides, as long as such people brain-tagged as 'different' remain in the minority, what's the point of adjusting? There are plenty of other people brain-tagged as 'normal' around to engage with. And that's the cruel dark side of human community and society.

  • If you don't like where you are or the people around you, then it's time to move on to somewhere where you do like the people around you, rather than expecting the majority to change for YOU..

  • It does seem rather insulting at first glance, doesn’t it? I think I understand it in this way: Having our vulnerabilities highlighted, we have the opportunity to strengthen and fortify those areas now - consciously, purposefully.

    Until a ship has truly been tested through turbulent waters and weather, who knows if it will float or sink until it eventually happens. Nobody wishes for rough seas, but if you’ve been forced to traverse them, the opportunity does exist now to recover from that damage, culminating in a ship now equipped to travel to lands previously unexplored.

    A weird way of looking at it but true none the less.

    For me personally it is a true saying. I am stronger from past experiences that nearly finished me.

  • What you said is EXTREMELY offensive. You want to talk about pro-nouns, gender and race. Buddy, I am white and I have died TWICE, had more suicide attempts than most people remember in a society where 50% of the people have attempted it.

    You may be Autistic, I won't ever challenge someone else's right to that however your ideology is POISON to yourself first and society second.

    Stop looking to be a victim in a society that has been victimized by every race, gender and idiom you can come up with.

    We(YOU) Autistics have had to deal with discrimination from every race, religion and gender and your post comes off as offensive as it can be to another human being.

    I don't know where you think you get the right to state such bs without an equally poignant response but you won't find it among our community who has dealt with more discrimination from every race, religion and gender than you can claim in victimization.

    I am a white American, this site is ENGLISH and you are confused at best, an agitator at worst.

    The most suicidal group is the straight, white Autistic. Add male or Christian(I'm not but still relevant to the point) and you are spouting utter BS! Exactly what point are you trying to make?

    You've come to a site of the most marginalized people on planet Earth to tell them in all their colors and genders that they victimized you?

  • I'm sure you are right.  I only speak for myself, about myself.

    "What doesn't kill you will probably, nonetheless, cause you lasting, and possibly unrecoverable damage anyway" .... is probably more generally accurate .... but not my experience.

  • I agree that it's a dumb saying, but I don't think white supremacy is the reason for it. Certain people downplaying others' suffering, either as intended  encouragement or as justification for their ill treatment ("quit whining and get back to work") isn't exclusively a white trait.

    White people have been the most successful abusers historically, but unfortunately things like abuse and exploitation are displayed in any group where those people can get away with it. 

  • what in the hells are you on about?

    i agree the term "what doesnt kill you makes you stronger" is stupid and wrong.... but im white, and the term likely outdates your ideas of "whiteness" anyway as most terms are alot older than europe itself... what doesnt kill you makes your crippled and traumatised is the truth...

    and as for the rest.... your hispanic.... and you call others white colonisers??? what..... what in the .... seriously do you not know history???

    south america was colonised by the spanish.... you being hispanic, is you admitting your a spanish colonist... spanish are european... what you would call white... and they colonised south america, and their colonists were called hispanic.... honestly i see this all the time, americans dont know anything about history. i argued with a hispanic before who said he hated the spanish, i said he is spanish and he claimed he wasnt and i pointed out he speaks spanish then he daftly claimed its not spanish he speaks "espanol" ... to which i poi nted out that means spanish in spanish!! lol

    seriously this american race politics IS the source of racism and hatred in the world... it needs to change.

  • Like a lot of sayings, it conveys a profound truth except for when it doesn't. Some people can go through terrible experiences and come out stronger, but many don't. For every person who makes it through a war or abuse or whatever else and is (maybe after a lot of time) stronger for it, there are probably at least a dozen who never really recover from the damage. 

  • “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is an outdated statement that has no basis in reality

    I don't know of all the deeper meanings and implications of the phrase that you elude to, and perhaps it is indeed an outdated statement, but nonetheless, it does convey a profound truth about my own life experiences thus far.  Accordingly, it has a real basis of fact in my reality.