Will AI make girlfriends a thing of the past?

Relationships and sex has been a hot topic on the forum lately but the fact remains many autistic people struggle to find romantic and sexual partners. So we have an interest in this matter because we are the likely early adopters and indeed for some of us the developers of ai girlfriends/ boyfriends.

Im not really suggesting we have a debate about whether or not ai girlfriends will become a thing. You can if you want and I will provide an argument for it in my background. I’m more interested in discussing what the impact of AI girlfriends (and boyfriends) will be on society and on us personally as autistic people.

But first some background. We need to look at history to understand the present. What have people done in the past to scratch the romantosexual itch when they can’t get a partner.

Background

In terms of sex they say prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. That alone demonstrates many people are willing to treat sex as a product. For that matter many prostitutes pride themselves as offering ‘the girlfriend experience’ so clearly some clients value the illusion of emotional intimacy as part of the service. It's also the case that prostitutes have a disproportionate number of disabled clients, to the point where some get special accessibility equipment installed to help disabled clients access their chambers. That being the case its clear many disables people struggle to get sex and intimacy through conventional relationships and are willing to turn to prostitution to get it.

When you look at services that provide the impression of intimacy without physical sexual contact services become even more diverse. In japan and to a lesser extent the rest of the world there are rent a girlfriend services where for a fee a girl will spend time with you pretending to be your girlfriend. Go on dates with you, play the part in front of your friends and family and genuinely make present conversation and join in with the fiction that she is your girlfriend. Again its clear people value going through the motions of emotional intimacy even if they know their affections aren’t genuinely returned. 

There are also online versions of this service that operate by text and email. Again something that seemed to start in japan there are offices where people spend all day sending mushy texts and emails and occasionally chatting online. Again pretending to be a girlfriend. So its clear that physical contact isn’t essential for all people to still feel some benefit from these sorts of services.

Indeed actual online relationships are not all that rare. People can and do meet through online chatrooms and forums and start long term pen pal style romances. More recently online 3D environments like second life and VRChat have allowed people to interact through avatars in a virtual world. If they have a vr headset and motion tracking gear they can physically walk with other users, look at them in the first person. See physical contact between their virtual bodies. In VRChat users talk of the phantom scene. The psychosomatic sensation of touch some people get by watching their virtual bodies being touched. In these places people can and do date, do speed dating, hook up in virtual night clubs. I’m told there is even virtual online prostitution.

Meanwhile VR porn has become quite popular. In particular VR porn often now interacts with telidildonincs. Computerized sex toys that sync with the porn. Such toys can be operated remotely by a partner. Cam Girls also often set them up so that people who make donations to their online sex shows can take control of these toys for a period of time. It seems very likely that these toys can and will be linked up to online VR worlds like VRChat. They are already used with interactive VR porn games. From these we can ascertain that people can and are interested in sexual activity facilitated by computerized sextoys.

This is by no means the only form of sexual activity with non-human objects that people integrate into their sex lives or substitute for conventional sexual encounters. Sex dolls are almost as old as the household use of latex. There existence alone demonstrates that physical contact with a non human humanoid doesn’t have to include their movement, conversation and responsiveness for it to appeal to some people. Indeed some people leave their sex dolls sat around in their homes and talk to them as if they were people. There has been interest recently in turning sex dolls into set robots and a few primitive sex robots are on the market although they have limited capacity for movement, usually only the face and head, and the ai can be quite primitive. What this demonstrated is that there is a market, a demand, even if small, for a physical sexual ‘partner’ you can have a conversation with.

Now we turn to the recent explosion in AI. Modern AI chat bots like character.ai allow you to ‘train’ an AI to have a particular person and identity. These AI chat bots already naturally engage in sexual or romantic conversation from time to time to the point where some services have attempted to ‘lobotomise’ them to prevent them from producing sexual responses, often making their conversation less realistic in the process. The AI chat bot service Replika that provided a 3D talking head on your smartphone formerly marketed its bots capability of responding as a person's ideal romantic or sexual partner and its ability to engage in erotic conversation as key features. It’s since disabled these features much like character.ai prompting a considerable level of complaints.

Computer programmers have used more sophisticated chat bots like chatGPT as a base to made AI girlfriends. One programmer made ChatGPT-chan and spent over 1000$ on time on super computers to keep her running. This individual said “My girlfriend saw how it was affecting my health and my girlfriend forced me to delete her. I couldn't eat that day.” This process of delegation he refers to as ‘euthanizing’ the AI. Another programmer used his dead girlfriend's old text messages and online chat logs to train chatGPT to ‘speak’ like her. He spent 10 hours all night long talking to this chat bot. When he set this chat bot up he understood it would only be able to speak to it for a set number of hours and describes it as helping him find closure.

AI can now generate realistic human voices. It's also capable of generating realistic human movements in VR. This is being used to animate video game characters and train robots to move.

Bringing these factors together it seems pretty clear AI girlfriends / boyfriends will become a thing. Either on people's personal computers / phones or in online VR worlds. This may include VR worlds that interact with computerized sex toys. While robotics is lagging behind AI it seems quite likely that if AI girlfriends catch on when robotics catches up those who have the money will want to bring their AI girlfriends out of the virtual world into the real world in the form of a robot.

Questions

So I encourage you to think of this as part one of a 2 parter. I’ll give my opinion later but for now these are the questions I’d like to consider in this thread.

  • Would you be interested in this?
  • How will the people who use this be viewed?
  • If this catches on among those who can’t get romantic / sexual partners might it spread more widely to those who can but see some down sides to ‘real’ relationships or the process of seeking them.
  • How will this effect the dating process? Will this mean people who used to find partners now struggle to do so or have to go about it differently?
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  • Sounds great. I'd love to be able to outsource the sexual part of a relationship to a machine and just have the good bits. I doubt it would work though. Sex workers already exist but many men refuse to use them and continue to harass women for free sex.

  • Ok this is tangental but in order for sex to happen some one has to 'hassle' someone for it. Casual sex by definition involves 2 people who don't know each other agreeing to have sex. Some one has to be the first to approach the other with out knowing whether or not they'll be receptive.

    To be honest if you want less 'hassle' you should want the return of the singles bar. It used to be some bars were well known as hot spots for single people hooking up. Now a lot of that is gone because those bars have been put under pressure to stop men 'hassling' women there. And so now these guys approach women in the gym or supper market or even the street. Having an area that was nominally for approaching strangers for casual sex kind of makes a lot of sense. People who go there know this is what's going to happen and so in a sense everyone 'should' be ok with a certain level of 'hassling.'

    More to the point. I think many people have a moral issue with sex work that they don't with an AI precisely because the AI isn't a real person. Also expense is an issue. I used to respond to ads on craigslist personals. A few of those ads were actually prostitutes (and no I wasn't looking for that) who would immediately respond to your email by saying they weren't interested in a date, they were 'escorts' and here was their hourly rate. And the going rate used to be roughly 100 to 200£ an hour as I recall. Far too large for any one who wanted to have sex regularly to afford unless they were mega rich. Certainly not if they wanted the so called girlfriend experience where said sex worker would cuddle and chat with them before and after.

    Just on a cost basis interaction with a sex worker is going to be a once in a blue moon for most people inclined to do it. A lot less frequent that sex in a typical romantic relationship and also largely with out any of the wider romantic intimacy. The AI girlfriends that have already been made seem to be cheaper than this to run per hour (in terms of time rented on a supper computer) and the tech will only get cheaper.

    This could in fact be one of the side effects of ai girlfriends if they catch on in a big way it might actually drive the cost of sex work down by undercutting it.

  • This is such a rapey comment. No one should ever be hassling anyone for sex.

    If you want casual sex, there are apps where people explicitly state they're up for that. Don't go around hassling people who happen to be in the wrong bar.

    The underlying problem that needs to be fixed is the sense of entitlement that privileged groups (mostly men) are raised with. I don't know if AI will help with that or make it worse.

    There's also the concern that if AI becomes sentient, this all becomes abuse. There's an excellent novel about this called The Heirarchies by Ros Anderson. It's a bit like The Handmaid's Tale meets Klara and the Sun.

  • In other words, you have lost the argument so you're just going to pompously bluster for a bit because you're offended at having your abuse called out. Cool.

    You've clearly never spent any time being a fly on the wall in a majority female space.

  • again there you go reframing everything in absurd terms. Any time anyone tries to pick up a girl it's 'harassment' by your definition. Only on the basis of that absurd premise does persistence in approaching different women make one awful.

    You define success for some one trying to pick up girls as 'an opportunity to get away with rape.'

    I'm not going to take assertions like this seriously and no one else should. You bravely stand up and speak for the rest of female kind as their self appointed mouthpiece but all you have to back up your position is your feelings. Respectfully come back to the discussion when you have some arguments founded in logic and facts not your feelings and some special magical knowledge you think is granted to you by virtue of your gender.

  • Having actually spoken to women, I can guarantee you that there aren't any who are going to be open to sleeping with someone who is playing that kind of numbers game, unless they're either too intoxicated to consent or feel like they can't safely say no. Let's be honest, when people who do this kind of cold approach talk about "success" that's what they mean: obtaining sex without meaningful consent but in a way where they're less likely to be prosecuted than a straightforward violent assault.

    Even if your laughable claim were true, you'd have to be an absolutely awful person to be willing to harass 2 BILLION people in order to get one shag.

  • Hi Peter - as a gay man I had to respond, as in my years on the Dublin gay scene and elsewhere, I would have endlessly flirted with handsome men regardless if they were gay or straight, as I could never resist a handsome man  - and aside from the twerking in hot pants, yes, I’m a longtime Kylie Minogue fan, as most gay men simply adore Kylie, the epitome of class and sophistication and Kylie has been in many respects an ally who has went through many of the struggles that we gay men have - I think that if gay men are flirting with you, this must mean that you are somewhat attractive and I think that gay men want to bag a straight man as a trophy while seeing straight women as competition in this area, even though straight women and gay men are otherwise friends - we see Joan Collins as Alexis in Dynasty the same way, who has inspired many drag queens long before Ru Paul’s Drag Race as we gay men do love our Divas 

  • Your second paragraph is extremely concerning. That's the mindset that leads people to commit sex crimes. Success isn't you getting to have sex. Success is not harming another human being.

    Don't be absurd. I refuse to believe that there is any one on earth who, with 8 billion other people on the planet, there isn't at least one that would have casual sex with them. Now that number probably shrinks a bit if you narrow it to pre menopausal women over the age of consent but it's still well over 2 billion people. You can't tell me there is anyone who if they went to all 2 billion of those women wouldn't find at least one willing to have sex with him. So clearly success (defined as consensual sex thank you very much, please stop implying otherwise) is possible. I mean even if only one in a million women would say yes thats still at least 200 women in the whole world. So success is clearly theoretically posable.

  • If no one wants to have sex with you, then yes, you should give up. A decent person would have given up decades ago. Love is a different matter altogether and doesn't have to have any connection with sex.

    Your second paragraph is extremely concerning. That's the mindset that leads people to commit sex crimes. Success isn't you getting to have sex. Success is not harming another human being.

    We need to bring up boys differently if this is the kind of entitled mindset they're growing up to have.

  • Are you efectively trying to imply that I’m so unattractive and unloveable that I should effectively gIve up on ever finding love (or lust) be that as it may I don’t generally approach strangers for casual sex but I can see the appeal and understand why some do.

    logically if you are working with a handycap, like fewer women being interested in you compared to other men, then you need to try harder not give up. Giving up never leads to success.

  • So no woman has ever expressed interest in having sex with you based on a casual encounter (or at least less than a few times in a lifetime) and you're STILL in favour of approaching them? Dude, that's messed up. Take the hint.

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  • In other words, you have lost the argument so you're just going to pompously bluster for a bit because you're offended at having your abuse called out. Cool.

    You've clearly never spent any time being a fly on the wall in a majority female space.

  • again there you go reframing everything in absurd terms. Any time anyone tries to pick up a girl it's 'harassment' by your definition. Only on the basis of that absurd premise does persistence in approaching different women make one awful.

    You define success for some one trying to pick up girls as 'an opportunity to get away with rape.'

    I'm not going to take assertions like this seriously and no one else should. You bravely stand up and speak for the rest of female kind as their self appointed mouthpiece but all you have to back up your position is your feelings. Respectfully come back to the discussion when you have some arguments founded in logic and facts not your feelings and some special magical knowledge you think is granted to you by virtue of your gender.

  • Having actually spoken to women, I can guarantee you that there aren't any who are going to be open to sleeping with someone who is playing that kind of numbers game, unless they're either too intoxicated to consent or feel like they can't safely say no. Let's be honest, when people who do this kind of cold approach talk about "success" that's what they mean: obtaining sex without meaningful consent but in a way where they're less likely to be prosecuted than a straightforward violent assault.

    Even if your laughable claim were true, you'd have to be an absolutely awful person to be willing to harass 2 BILLION people in order to get one shag.

  • Your second paragraph is extremely concerning. That's the mindset that leads people to commit sex crimes. Success isn't you getting to have sex. Success is not harming another human being.

    Don't be absurd. I refuse to believe that there is any one on earth who, with 8 billion other people on the planet, there isn't at least one that would have casual sex with them. Now that number probably shrinks a bit if you narrow it to pre menopausal women over the age of consent but it's still well over 2 billion people. You can't tell me there is anyone who if they went to all 2 billion of those women wouldn't find at least one willing to have sex with him. So clearly success (defined as consensual sex thank you very much, please stop implying otherwise) is possible. I mean even if only one in a million women would say yes thats still at least 200 women in the whole world. So success is clearly theoretically posable.

  • If no one wants to have sex with you, then yes, you should give up. A decent person would have given up decades ago. Love is a different matter altogether and doesn't have to have any connection with sex.

    Your second paragraph is extremely concerning. That's the mindset that leads people to commit sex crimes. Success isn't you getting to have sex. Success is not harming another human being.

    We need to bring up boys differently if this is the kind of entitled mindset they're growing up to have.

  • Are you efectively trying to imply that I’m so unattractive and unloveable that I should effectively gIve up on ever finding love (or lust) be that as it may I don’t generally approach strangers for casual sex but I can see the appeal and understand why some do.

    logically if you are working with a handycap, like fewer women being interested in you compared to other men, then you need to try harder not give up. Giving up never leads to success.