Published on 12, July, 2020
So another thread relating to trans rights has been locked under Rule 4 ‘Be Nice’ , but shouldn’t hatred directed at trans people be actually deleted? The thread was going really well with lots of trans, gender fluid and queer people supporting each other, but as usual the cis hets dive in to invalidate us. The mod response is not to target the prejudice but to lock the entire thread! This is wrong. Can we trans and queer and pride people on the spectrum not have a safe space here? I know the mods have a policy of non-deletion but this is wrong, were racist comments being made I’m sure they’d pounce on that pdq, but hate against trans people is unchallenged and left to stand. Apalling of you NAS!
But the "othering is real enough.
And life threatening, not just upsetting, for at least the cyclists and motorcyclists, on a daily basis.
A good deal of the examples of minorities you listed aren't minorities.
I'm sorry you don't understand the heirarchy of the power structures at play but you are missing the point and I am going to sleep. Good night Sperg. Sleep well.
Now I'm going to bed because it's late and tbh I have a lot on over the weekend. But this thread better not get locked down while I'm gone too because that would be damning evidence giving extra credence to the OPs point.
And "othering" is what you get when you are in a minority of any type.
You get "othered":
For being too bright, for being too stupid.
For supporting the other team, or even for not supporting any team.
For being a cyclist, or a motorcyclist, or a car driver
For being poor, for being rich.
For being beautiful or for being ugly.
For being white and walking through small heath park, or by the mosque in washwood heath.
For being fat, for being weak, for being sick.
For being a christian, for not supporting the latest war, for joining CND, or for not joining CND if all you mates did (ditto any activism group)
What's so special about your "othering"?
I Sperg said:Isn't it more like a Venn diagram where we enjoy greater or lesser degrees of intersectionality?
That isn't untrue. But then in a world where variation is natural why do you feel you get to be the "normal" one and we don't?I think there is a misunderstanding where you think I dislike you because you are "cis" or if you prefer "not trans" and that isn't it at all, what I dislike is that for some arbitrary reason based on social constructs you seem to think (or at least you heavily imply that you do) that we are abnormal or in some way broken just because we don't resonate with the gender assigned to us at birth as you do. I understand it isn't always easy to try put yourself in others shoes, but can you really say you've tried to understand us? The question is genuine.
Isn't it more like a Venn diagram where we enjoy greater or lesser degrees of intersectionality?
You know that feeling of being otherered twice one for autism one for gender? That's what we feel every day. There is no normal Sperg. Life is diverse, either we're all normal or none of us are.
I Sperg said:CIS-HET. Is that what I'd know as "Normal" or informally, "Straight"?
"Cis is short for cisgender, which refers to when a person’s gender identity corresponds to their sex as assigned at birth. Cisgender is the opposite of transgender.
Cissexual was coined in the mid 1990s by a German sexologist. He used the Latin preposition cis, meaning “on this side of,” as a contrast to transsexual, trans being the Latin for “on the other side of” or “across.”
The phrase, eventually morphing into cisgender, picked up steam in gender and sexuality studies throughout the late 1990s and early 2000s. However, it didn’t enter the mainstream until the 2010s. This was due to a variety of factors, such as the rise of social-justice-oriented social-media platforms like Tumblr and important LGBTQ rights debates (e.g., bathroom access and military service), both contributing toward greater visibility for trans individuals. This in turn, made those who were cisgender realize their own positionality."
https://www.dictionary.com/e/gender-sexuality/cis/
I Sperg said:And if you are experiencing a little of your own medicine right now,then, either learn to be nice about taking it or please stop handing it out.
I'm not handing out anything. So no I'm not experiencing any of my own anything.
I Sperg said:This is NOT a sexual politics or trans support forum, there are plenty of places which support those issues, so can we please get back to the Autism, and put the gender race and other politics to one side?
There is no rule that says these issues cannot be discussed, there is a rule against transphobia though.
I Sperg said:And if you insist on attaching invented labels like "cis-gendered" when there is already a perfectly good word to describe us.
I Sperg said:We are NORMAL or STRAIGHT. Label yourselves by all means, and we normal people will even use your labels, but don't label us if you don't want US to label YOU.
You mean "normal" because god forbid you should experience being othered twice over like we are, like people like you make make us othered twice over.I'm disapointed in you Sperg. Your agreement to keep to Thumper rules for our interaction didn't last very long at all.
Language evolves all the time. Otherwise there would be no need for new dictionaries.
CIS-HET. Is that what I'd know as "Normal" or informally, "Straight"?
Why do we need new words for ways of being that have existed since the dawn of time?
They shouldn't have to set up their own communities as they are a part of this one. Everyone with Autism should feel welcome here.
Yep, that's exactly what many people with niche interests do.
They set up their own servers to discuss their own niche interests, rather than trying to bend other peoples communities to suit their own special requirements.
My view has a lot of grey area and overlap it isn't going to be the exact same form of liberatarianism as other people, so I understand if you cannot see my point of view but respectfully I stand by what I said about the rules. People agree to them when they sign up and cannot be allowed to just opt out of them afterwards unless they leave the site that's why these things are usually included as part of the terms of service/use/membership/delete as applicable.
Repressing hate by driving it underground is counter productive. As people can still think what they like but as it is no longer being expressed openly, it is no longer being challenged. I don't think you understand what i mean by Libertarian either. There is nothing centrist about my views and nothing pro-market or pro private interest about them.
It's true, I myself am a centre left libertarian, for example I don't think it should be so that people can be punished by green tax when going into cities, not everyone wants one of these ugly new computers on wheels but the solution should be a subsidy to have older less fuel efficient engines refitted with younger performance comparabe model compatible models with a better fuel consumption and improved emissions. It's not right that historical models can be lovingly cared for for decades only to potentially be legislated off the road, which by means of forcing people to give up their property against their will effectively creates a legal form of theft committed by the government against the public. But that's a wholly another subject and I'll only mention it this once here to illustrate a point, it's not an invitation to take the topic of this thread off track.Bottom line is, I'm not interested in being the thought police, 1984 no thanks, but free speech was intened to be held as a right for the public to be free to criticise their governments without reprisal not to allow hate speech against minority groups. Also as a privately run site with rules* set out as terms for joining the quashing of hatespeech on this forum could never interfere with someone's right to expression as doing so doesn't prohibit or physically stop them from making their own sites to use as a platform to say whatever they like without moderation.* And rules once set must be enforced and adhered to equally in order to be fair to all the users on this site.
I was afk and missed it being locked, but I have seen this happen before and tbh it isn't right that our spaces to talk get shut down just because others feel the need to come and disrespect those being supportive of eachother in the conversation. Trans folk on this forum are not failing to be nice just because we refuse to back down when being gaslit about our own experiences. There's nothing wrong with curious cis folk wanting to ask respectful questions in good faith but that isn't what is happening in the majority of these threads.The Mods are volunteers and there's a degree to which limitations can be expected BUT in a forum that claims to be a safespace where transphobia isn't allowed it's apparent that a professional mod team should be the core of those roles with the volunteers as support because in other forums this kind of thing would not be allowed to continue. We're either all expected to follow those rules or none of us are.
I've always wanted a go in one of the 8 wheeled APC's, and now having seen how well they work, I want a few of those "kornet" missiles & the launcher for a rainy day...
I'm in for the potential swag...
I'll just go and watch that you tube video again where the young lady shows us the starting sequence...