Cuckoo (Family Dynamic)

I feel like the family dynamic of my family is changing and I don’t know what to do. I’m in the process of getting married and my sister had a baby a few months ago, so I guess it’s not surprising that the dynamic is changing, but I don’t know what to do about it. I’ve generally got on reasonably well with my family, but I’ve never been emotionally close. They don’t understand me, and I guess I don’t understand them, which is partly autism, but also personality and other things.

I feel very conscious now of how my parents can drown me out. My Dad and I just bought suits for my wedding and I feel upset that he spoke for me and sometimes over me the whole time in the shop and I couldn't make myself heard. My Mum is similar, although to a lesser extent. They spent the whole of my childhood telling me to speak louder, speak more often, speak in class, speak to their friends, but now I think that part of the reason I didn’t was that I wasn’t really allowed to speak. They didn't like me talking about my special interests. I don’t remember them speaking over me as a child, but they have done it for years as an adult. The fact that they’re very chatty, about subjects that don’t interest me (“super-allistic” according to my fiancée) probably doesn’t help, but a lot of the problem is that I can get overwhelmed in shops and social situations, I’m bad at finding gaps to speak in conversations with more than one person and I often don’t know what to say, or I do know what to say, but am scared to say it and I speak quite quietly, so it’s easy for them just to carry on through those moments before I can say anything.

I feel that, on some level, my family don’t really register that I’m nearly forty. I live with my parents, have never had a full-time job, am only just getting married, have never owned property or had a child, so I guess I seem like a teenager still. The fact that I really do depend on my parents for emotional and financial support doesn’t help. I do feel ignored a lot of the time, particularly at family events, where the conversation is often about careers or other things I don’t know about. I’m hoping getting married will change this, but my parents are helping a lot financially, with the wedding and finding us somewhere to live, and we're even going to be staying with them until we find somewhere else, so they’re still going to be a big part of our lives for a while yet.

I’ve never been very close to my sister, although we’ve never fallen out, but since she had a baby last December, I feel much further apart. It’s nice to see her maternal side, which I didn’t know she had, but I’ve hardly spoken to her since then, even at family events where we’ve all been present. I think my sister felt in my shadow growing up. I’m older than her and we went to the same schools, so often her teachers were comparing her with me. But when I went to university and sank into depression and burnout, she “overtook” me, going to university and getting a job, then moving out of home permanently, marrying and buying a house and now having a baby. Weirdly, it feels like she’s quite a bit older than me now, which logically makes no sense.

I guess it feels like I got stuck as a teenager, plus I’ve always felt a bit of a cuckoo in my family, the one who doesn’t really fit with the personality, interests and mindset of the others. I know I should be grateful – and I am. Not everyone has supportive family, or family at all. But I really struggle to find my place in the family, and that's probably part of the reason I've struggled to find a place in the world.

Does this resonate with anyone?

  • Thanks. Unfortunately, as my fiancee is from America, we'll both be living with my parents for a while after the wedding, until we can find somewhere of our own. This is really not ideal, but for various reasons, it worked out the least worst option.

    I don't want to make my parents seem like bad people. They don't deliberately try to force me out of the conversation, they're just very loud characters and I struggle to assert myself around them. My fiancee is a lot more like me, which is good.

  • This is the point of major change in all your lives which is why you feel particularly discombobulated. You feel as thoigh you should have been further along by now but actually you are doing things fkr you in the right way. I take it you will be getting married and moving in with your finacee soon so your life will be much less dictated by your parents. That in itself will be a big challenge but will make you feel more independent and in control of your own life. Your parents are louder than you and speak over you, the mkre independent you are, tge less they can do that to you.

    My father is a domineering gobsh*te eho loves to shout over people and my mother hardly soeaks, but both cannot tolerate amyone speaking who falters or has gaps in speech. They will tut and say 'spit it out'and generally ridicule. I wasn't alllwed to make mistakes with soeech but now I just tell then to not be rude when someone is speaking and they soon shutup. You will find your own voice and use it powerfully when you are ready amd need to. Take care

  • apologies for so many typos, i should have put my glasses on!

  • This is the point of major change in all your lives which is why you feel particularly discombobulated. You feel as thoigh you should have been further along by now but actually you are doing things fkr you in the right way. I take it you will be getting married and moving in with your finacee soon so your life will be much less dictated by your parents. That in itself will be a big challenge but will make you feel more independent and in control of your own life. Your parents are louder than you and speak over you, the mkre independent you are, tge less they can do that to you.

    My father is a domineering gobsh*te eho loves to shout over people and my mother hardly soeaks, but both cannot tolerate amyone speaking who falters or has gaps in speech. They will tut and say 'spit it out'and generally ridicule. I wasn't alllwed to make mistakes with soeech but now I just tell then to not be rude when someone is speaking and they soon shutup. You will find your own voice and use it powerfully when you are ready amd need to. Take care

  • True.....I struggle getting my tone and delivery to the right pitch (I'm told) and often sound both rude and over-assertiveness even when that is not my intention at all.  There are worse things I suppose.

  • There’s a big difference between being rude and asserting yourself.

  • Smotherer or smotheree - these are the choices in my family conversational dynamic. Sometimes. And it’s become entwined with my autistic wiring to such an extent that I’m pretty disastrous at balance in most conversations with other people in life. I’m either taciturn and meek or barrelling along with a rising panic and trying to say ‘please someone jump in and stop this’ with my eyes. 

  • Remember that your therapist is interested in your feelings, guilt about expressing them (confidentiality too) is a needless - though I admit hard to shake- added layer of complication in an already tough process. I’ve started to say, any number of times, ‘but I should mention that they’re great in all these other ways…’ only for her to say ‘why do you feel the need to add that bit? Why do you think I need them defended?’ Which is a great point! 

  • I get this a lot.  I like to pause to absorb what someone has said before I respond...but just before I'm ready to launch my response, people jump in before I can get a word out.  This is not always the case - sometimes I dominate and smother a conversation.

  • Oh, also, the bit about guilt is 100% true. I feel awful for having to talk about my parents lately (to my fiancee, therapist etc.), but at the same time, I've really been struggling to find my way in the changing family dynamic without outside help. I know my family love me and I love them, but that doesn't mean it's an easy relationship.

  • There's a lot of joking in my family too, particularly in the extended family. I mostly enjoy that, although it can be tiring. We don't really have serious conversations, though, and I'd like to. I was reflecting recently that I don't really know a lot about my family's inner life (to be fair, I'm not sure they know a lot about mine). Most of the family conversation is small talk and I just sit that out. I feel like I've trained half of my brain to monitor the conversation for anything I need to respond to while the other half follows its own train of thought (like dolphins sleep with half their brain while the other half keeps them swimming).

  • And the pauses thing too! I find myself sometimes, when my parents are in a high energy mood, being simultaneously pleased for them but then concerned as I observe myself reflexively drift into trying to match their energy and kind of ‘skip rope’ in the gaps between the rhythm of their joined forces with a humour and sarcastic form of patter that’s dialled up significantly from who I really am. The main conversational currency (or a significant one) is comic exaggeration. It simultaneously delivers a ‘catch yerself on’ message (or ‘get a grip’ would be the English equivalent) while doing so in a theoretically disarming but subtly dysfunctional way. At other times we talk more seriously and deeply on the big stuff than I suspect is done in most families, and I’m not sorry about that (even though it can be a draining experience of low on spoons that day), it’s actually really healthy. But then it seems that the pendulum must swing thereafter to  some jokery that almost overwrites or dismisses any ground that was momentarily gained. Or that’s just how it feels perhaps. Hard not to feel guilty and overly judgemental about good-hearted and irreplaceable people who care about you when saying this stuff. And yet shouldn’t this be a safe space to do exactly that - vent about the frustrations of being strange even to one’s family or oneself, and alone in the intensity of feeling that remains long after the salve of traded intellectualising and cold equations has its momentarily numbing effect? 

  • That thing about dominant personalities and gaps resonates strongly with me. 

  • I didn't go into my whole life story, but I've had times when I've lived completely independently and times when I've been too burnt out to function at all and relied on my parents for everything. Currently, I'm working part-time, but using 80 or 90% of my energy on that.

    I haven't let my parents "dictate things" to me and they certainly don't do everything for me, but OTOH, I struggle to be completely independent. Also, my parents are very dominant personalities and I'm really not. I struggle to assert myself against them, especially as I consider respecting parents and not being rude to them to be a value.

    I wasn't worried about gaps in the conversation; rather, that when other people pause, I am slow to register that I can speak and my parents jump in before I can say anything.

  • You don’t actually mention if you need your parents support to live and function. Are you capable of work, capable of looking at houses, doing things yourself? 
    From my outsider perspective, it looks like you’ve sat back and allowed your parents to dictate things, and do everything for you, because you have had the confidence, or push from your parents and encouragement to try. So now, you are 40, and still, acting like a dependent. 
    If I am correct, then maybe you should take the opportunity to speak up for yourself a little more, and assert yourself when needed. If you are spoken over, try saying, hang on, can you let me reply, or I would like to answer myself…..

    Dont worry about gaps in conversation. It happens. If you feel awkward let the other party say something, or you could ask a question about them. People love to talk about themselves. 
    Small steps. The more you try, the more you will become accustomed to how it feels, and thus realise it wasn’t as scary as you thought.