Employment issues

In conjunction with the ongoing review into how Councils are responding to "Leading Rewarding and Fulfilling Lives" I took the opportunity to raise several issues through the email comment option autism@dh.gis.gov.uk  This doesn't acknowledge correspondence so I copied it to my MP who kindly forwearded to Mark Hoban MP, Minister for Employment, and I now have his reply.

Needless to say it reiterates policy and I don't feel it answers my questions. What I asked about was training of health professionals and the problems facing people on the spectrum in the workplace.

I emphasised three things: eye contact, sensory issues, and the level of understanding of how people at the abler end of the spectrum cope with work (which might inform the issues for those less able). My point about eye contact was how professionals could spot this problem in adults who compensated (for example, by looking at people's mouths). I pointed out that continued eye contact problems mean adults miss out on a lot of social interchange, so it remains a serious problem.

Regarding sensory issues I was concerned about how crucial this was in workplace environments and research was needed on the extent it might affect people on the spectrum in employment. My point about the abler end is that there are people on the spectrum in work, who have a lot of work experience, whose views are simply not taken into account. Study of those able to work might help those who find it difficult.

Well, while the Minister notes my concerns he assures me the government is "determined to help those who are able to work back into employment" - which suggests he doesn't make a distinction between those never able to get into work and those abler mostly in work of some kind.

I didn't mention interviews in my email, but I got a section of the Minister's response as if I had. "We recognise that for people with mental, intellectual, cognitive or developmental impairments attending a face-to-face assessment at an unfamiliar location can cause anxiety" The reply goes on about being able to bring along a carer, having a trustee act for them, and ways of making the assesment easier. In short most of his reply is about the benefits entitlement assessments!!!

Hence replying to me on training, its about the training of the assessors. The training "includes provision of information about Autism Spectrum Disorders contained in evidence basded protocols for mental health conditions, a face to face 'learning-set' on Aspoerger'ssyndrome and a distance learning module on Learning Disabilities & Autistic Spectrum Disorder Awareness that was quality assured by external stakeholders".

There is no understanding here of a distinction here between those so disabled by autism as to have difficulty taking up employment and those able to find employment who could be helped constructively to ovefrcome difficulty, whhich is what my enquiry was looking for. And I wasn't asking about the ESA assessors, or whether they thought learning disability and mental health criteria applied to most people on the spectrum seeking work.

The letter then goes on to completing benefuit forms - I DIDN@T ASK ABOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS!  Apparently the ESA50 questionnairwe was recently reviewed in consultayion with disability organisations to ensure the form better captures elements around frequency, severity and duration to impriove the collection of information from individuals with fluctuating conditions". 

It then talks about the WCA (the assessment) and the way it works for people with autism, and the opinions of some experts.

There is nothing in the letter that addresses my questions. I never asked about the WCA. What is the point of the Autism Act and "Leading Rewarding and Fulfilling Lives" if this is the sum total of understanding of a top Government Minister?

 

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  • I think if the NAS was likely to help with something like this, I'd have seen evidence of it elsewhere on the website.

    I think NAS loyalties lie wholly with those adults unable to be self-supporting, which is understandable. But I don't think they would back an argument for support for those deemed able to find employment, simply because that might dilute the message regarding those in most need.

    If NAS feel I've misrepresented them here then Moderators please speak up.

    I struggled through a difficult life, but have spent part of that helping others on the spectrum. Those I was helping though were mostly at the abler end going through university.

    With that perspective I would like to think that there was progress being made towards better support for those able to be self sufficient to "lead rewarding and fulfilling lives" but it isn't happening.

    It remains the case that those of us working are deemed not to have real aspergers or ASC. We're supposed to have been "cured". If we have problems it is our fault. We must be softer, or weaker, or inadequate, or ineffectual in some way. "Leading Rewarding and Fulfilling Lives" is not meant to apply to us.

    And the WCA may to some extent define that cut-off point. If you are deemed able to work, you are deemed not to need help. So the fact that you still suffer from problems of workplace socialing, bullying in the workplace, sensor difficulties and organisational problems will be entirely down to you, with no sympathy or help from GPs or medical services, no support infrastructure, and no improvement in understanding. NAS ain't gonna help!

    Part of my argument to the Minister is that there is little or no research on the abler end of the spectrum who are able to help themselves. They are not deemed relevant, nor is their experience considered to have any contribution to make to wider understanding of autism. Whereas successful people with dyslexia have been able to do a lot to help better understand dyslexia, that WILL NEVER HAPPEN with autism.

    Nor is this just some whingeing "had it easy" grumbling about his lot. Parents out there with teenagers being helped in all directions to pass through into adulthood as fuller and abler people. If that's the path they are on, there really is NO HELP after transition.

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  • I think if the NAS was likely to help with something like this, I'd have seen evidence of it elsewhere on the website.

    I think NAS loyalties lie wholly with those adults unable to be self-supporting, which is understandable. But I don't think they would back an argument for support for those deemed able to find employment, simply because that might dilute the message regarding those in most need.

    If NAS feel I've misrepresented them here then Moderators please speak up.

    I struggled through a difficult life, but have spent part of that helping others on the spectrum. Those I was helping though were mostly at the abler end going through university.

    With that perspective I would like to think that there was progress being made towards better support for those able to be self sufficient to "lead rewarding and fulfilling lives" but it isn't happening.

    It remains the case that those of us working are deemed not to have real aspergers or ASC. We're supposed to have been "cured". If we have problems it is our fault. We must be softer, or weaker, or inadequate, or ineffectual in some way. "Leading Rewarding and Fulfilling Lives" is not meant to apply to us.

    And the WCA may to some extent define that cut-off point. If you are deemed able to work, you are deemed not to need help. So the fact that you still suffer from problems of workplace socialing, bullying in the workplace, sensor difficulties and organisational problems will be entirely down to you, with no sympathy or help from GPs or medical services, no support infrastructure, and no improvement in understanding. NAS ain't gonna help!

    Part of my argument to the Minister is that there is little or no research on the abler end of the spectrum who are able to help themselves. They are not deemed relevant, nor is their experience considered to have any contribution to make to wider understanding of autism. Whereas successful people with dyslexia have been able to do a lot to help better understand dyslexia, that WILL NEVER HAPPEN with autism.

    Nor is this just some whingeing "had it easy" grumbling about his lot. Parents out there with teenagers being helped in all directions to pass through into adulthood as fuller and abler people. If that's the path they are on, there really is NO HELP after transition.

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