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Autistic population and natural neuro variance model and argument against eugenics

🐝 Bees 🐝 (they/them) Autism resources in bio #stoptheshock #NothingAboutUsWithoutUs

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Just gonna reitterate some things from another thread because I think it has a very important point to make:

If using the American autistic population "figure of 1 in 69 (lets round it up to a neat 70) and applying it to a global scale that means there are more autists than ginger haired people in the world."

And. "Especially because Autism in of itself cannot be the cause of things like learning dificulties or intellectual disabilities on it's own because if it did there would be no observable spectrum where autism can be present without co-occuring conditions."
I think we should be bringing this up a lot more because not only do these facts confirm autism as a natural neurovariance but it means we as a quite sizable minority have been and are being targets of bigotry and various eugenics campaigns over the decades and not once has any of it despite fake saccarine platitudes been truly with our own best interest.

And I am going to say without naming names that I have seen the effect of the neurotypical normativity of decades beaten into various people on these forums. People who have been convinced that they are disordered and less than the neurotypical and my heart breaks, knowing what I know. Because you are all some of the most worthy and deserving to take up the space you are owed on this planet. I don't know what New Years resolutions you all made. But I hope it's not too late for you all to add to that list: being as unapologetic in your autistic selves as possible.


" you have a right to be here" - Desiderata.

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  • 🐝 Bees 🐝 (they/them) Autism resources in bio #stoptheshock #NothingAboutUsWithoutUs said:
    "Especially because Autism in of itself cannot be the cause of things like learning dificulties or intellectual disabilities on it's own because if it did there would be no observable spectrum where autism can be present without co-occuring conditions."

    There is no mention of intellectual disability in the diagnostic manuals for autism. Therefore,autism is not predicated on the presence of intellectual disability. However, though the proportion has dropped and continues to drop, a proportion of autistics (estimated at c. 60-70% in 1990, c. 30% in 2020) also have intellectual disability. It looks very likely that some causes of autism also cause, or are associated with, intellectual disability, while other causes of autism have no link with intellectual disability.

  • in reply to Martin

    This line was to specifically address the issues where there used to be separate diagnosis and "autism" as a term usually got used to denote far more demonised forms such as Speaks bullplop portrayal of autism as something that ruins otherwise happy families, in an ad that had all the tones of peak AIDs crisis hysteria.
    And also as a reminder there are many other genes not connected with autism that still contribute to intellectual disability so people must remember that a correlation which is not even guaranteed cannot be prresumed to be the cause of something else. And a reminder that conflating Autism with sometimes co-occuring conditions is not always helpful when dealing with and talking about autism specifically.

  • in reply to 🐝 Bees 🐝 (they/them) Autism resources in bio #stoptheshock #NothingAboutUsWithoutUs

    It is the case that people with intellectual disability, who also show reduced sociability, are labelled 'autistic', while people with intellectual disability, who are highly sociable and outgoing, are not labelled 'allistic'.

  • in reply to NAS83898

    I know autism is perceived as a spectrum condition. I also know that autistics are no more alike than the general population is. What I do not understand is to what "You mean also autistic," is referring to. I presumed that it referred to the people I called allistic, which makes no sense. If it referred to the people I called autistic, it also makes no sense,  because I called them autistic in the first place.

    If they meant that I should have said "It is the case that people with intellectual disability, who also show reduced sociability, are ALSO labelled 'autistic', ..." It is equally baffling to me as the word 'also' in context is entirely superfluous.

    Sorry, I realise that I am pedantic, but that is a facet of my character, which may, or may not, be autistic in origin.

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  • in reply to NAS83898

    I know autism is perceived as a spectrum condition. I also know that autistics are no more alike than the general population is. What I do not understand is to what "You mean also autistic," is referring to. I presumed that it referred to the people I called allistic, which makes no sense. If it referred to the people I called autistic, it also makes no sense,  because I called them autistic in the first place.

    If they meant that I should have said "It is the case that people with intellectual disability, who also show reduced sociability, are ALSO labelled 'autistic', ..." It is equally baffling to me as the word 'also' in context is entirely superfluous.

    Sorry, I realise that I am pedantic, but that is a facet of my character, which may, or may not, be autistic in origin.

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