Using Autism as an excuse - How to do it well...

A variant of the first part of my title pops up every week, it seems. 

CLEARLY a lot of us Autists have secondary immediate problems with the neuro typical people (and also on this forum we occasionally see with other Autists!)

I feel I could use a set of elegant and upbeat ways of explaining myself sometimes, (when I catch the other person reacting irrationally badly to a simple statement I made) that might cause them to discard the presentation and focus on the actual data or information I'm trying to impart. 

I'm wondering if anyone else has tacked this problem? Our issues I feel are very much tied up with "adverse PR" as much as they are basic limitations that we cannot overcome, BUT some limitations are just that, and when we hit them, we need to be able to not lose all credibilty instantly, as seems to repeatedly happen to me. (OR I may just be a berk! I'm too close to the trees to see the forest with that one, I guess)   

Anyone got any good workarounds, that can pacify the neurotypicals?

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  • I only managed it on few occassions, to trigger their freeze response for a short while. What I did turned out not to be replicable, and it worked only once.

    E.g. once with a friend in a pub we were bothered by a drunkard. I said to my friend: ''They exibit peculiarly low expression in information outcome, until they decide they don't like you, and turn, into spiting volcano of offended''. Drunkard stopped and started blinking like crazy, then walked away.

  • What I did turned out not to be replicable, and it worked only once.

    Reminds me of the day paintballing when I charged into a hut full of well performing "enemy" screaming my head off (as per UK military doctrine) and nailed them all before they worked out what the noise was all about. Unfortunately I ran out of ammo, and thus had to give up the position to go get resupplied. 

    So when I was replenished, flushed by my previous success I tried it again...

    - And became an instant "casualty of war".... 

    Speaking of war, I've been watching it on the alternative media (That which I can stomach, or justify by having a non-morbid reason for watching) and it is a HORRIBLE activity. We really, really, need to stop getting angry with each other, over stupid and "little endian" arguments and just laugh at the other guys foibles, and find find better ways of curbing their crapulence than killing them.

  • Well done. As they say best defense is offense. I used to play. Counterstrike as a student 20 years ago, there were teams and tournaments among students in Cracow, and I managed to get into one of them, because nobody could do what I called 'crazy rush', without fear charge against 5 other, with mp5 only, and hit 3 heads with one burst, before sniper from my team lands after jumping through doorway and makes first shot. LOL not everytime, but often enough

    Yes, I agree, except people skills are not my specialty. Occasional success is a result of being frustrated past what's tolerable. I don't think there is a permanent solution for bullies, only temporary deterrents. So I focus on those rare occasions when I can influence another in a postive way. Today I had a chat with one of managers when smoking, and we both agreed that there is place for everyone, all types, be that they shave (manager) or don't (me), it's the only way for balance to be everyday commonplace. Tough he made me feel he is clueless like me about how to make it happen.

    I fail often to laugh when they make their jokes, to often it's making fun of another by belittling them, it is unacceptable, and not funny at all

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  • Well done. As they say best defense is offense. I used to play. Counterstrike as a student 20 years ago, there were teams and tournaments among students in Cracow, and I managed to get into one of them, because nobody could do what I called 'crazy rush', without fear charge against 5 other, with mp5 only, and hit 3 heads with one burst, before sniper from my team lands after jumping through doorway and makes first shot. LOL not everytime, but often enough

    Yes, I agree, except people skills are not my specialty. Occasional success is a result of being frustrated past what's tolerable. I don't think there is a permanent solution for bullies, only temporary deterrents. So I focus on those rare occasions when I can influence another in a postive way. Today I had a chat with one of managers when smoking, and we both agreed that there is place for everyone, all types, be that they shave (manager) or don't (me), it's the only way for balance to be everyday commonplace. Tough he made me feel he is clueless like me about how to make it happen.

    I fail often to laugh when they make their jokes, to often it's making fun of another by belittling them, it is unacceptable, and not funny at all

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  • It's too early in the morning to address all of your points so I'll just pick the ones that stood out the most, hope that's okay.

    We 'spergs don't like making eye contact according to my diagnostician, it's a very prevalent thing. Psychological predators see this as weakness.

    This is simultaneously true and not true for me, when I first meet someone, I am nervous and will have a tendency to glance away, and even more so if I have a lot of other background stress or lack of sleep. But I have found it gets better if I get a lot of sleep the night before and arrange to talk to the person I am meeting over the phone first before I see them in person (because I can read tone of voice very well * ) if that call ends on a civil or cheerful note I can then be confident the person I'm meeting in person A. isn't a total stranger and B. already likes me at least a little bit. Then the eye contact is more easy.
    And once someone is well known to me the eye contact problem goes away it becomes oddly effortless even a bit "yay I got comfortable" enjoyable.
    *  I think this is because despite not being "high functioning" overall being social is one of my high-er functioning areas generally speaking which is not stereotypical for autism at all, and also why I only accepted my diagnosis after decades of sensory and emotional burnout and meltdowns.
    New NTs rarely twig I'm Autistic until something drastic occurs, my other half says sometimes I can get so happy to chat to people that my volume will slowly go up which is the only major tell with people who I've already manged to eye-meet with, but he doesn't think they can guess from that alone because it just comes off as being "bubbly".

    There are a few very well adjusted and sucessful Autists on this forum, who show that this does not have to be a disability as many have been trained to think, it is a DIFFERENCE, and it's time we all whomped up a universal "works for all of us" way of making it into an advantage for a change!

    I "subscribe" to the social model of disability especially where non physical conditions are concerned, imagine if it was socially understood and accepted to not look people in the eye, if fluorescent lighting was stripped out of work places and replaced by a healthier light, and big cities implemented noise reduction in new buildings and refits. And increase public seating, not just benches but staggered single seats. So many public meltdowns I could have avoided, and that's the tip of... well, your name haha.

  • We 'spergs don't like making eye contact according to my diagnostician, it's a very prevalent thing. Psychological predators see this as weakness.

    I have been known to use eye contact as a rarely deployed offensive weapon, in combination with a few well chosen words. If it's a bully I am dealing with, I try to talk slowly and very, politely, using disarming language whilst attempting to hold his gaze and imagine having the power to rip his arms arms off and beat him to death with them RIGHT NOW, but keeping the language gentle and staying on topic and my face impassive.  

    Your eyes do more than just show you moving images. In some weird way that I have not yet nailed down, (but you can demonstrate experimentally) they also transmit "back channel" information.

    It is my belief that by acting very properly and pleasantly indeed, whilst simultaneously running a script of vile hatred in my head it causes a major and disabling cognitive dissonance in the poor target, causing them to want to leave the vicinity quickly and go complain about the weirdo they just met. It seems to work like gangbusters on policemen, and most drunkards, but you have to make drunkards laugh with the words you choose to use whilst giving them the treatment. 

    Don't rush out and try this without deep consideration first. And I think it only works ONCE per person. I've not actually had to do much of it myself since I worked it out, about twenty years ago. The main problem I have had with bullying still, is recognising it's happening to me, early enough to be able to nip it in the bud. 

    Ever since I got my diagnosis, and the clarity it brought, I've become a lot closer to being satisfied with who I actually am, and a lot less envious of others. My Autism keeps offering me choices, that the neurotypical quickly learn (or are designed intrinsically) to suppress. My autism is not all downside. I have options and abilties that N.T's simply do not, as well as limitations that they do not.

    There are a few very well adjusted and sucessful Autists on this forum, who show that this does not have to be a disability as many have been trained to think, it is a DIFFERENCE, and it's time we all whomped up a universal "works for all of us" way of making it into an advantage for a change!

    Maybe we can learn how from the LGBT community? They seem to have been spectacularly successful in their endeavours. Which month shall we pick? Although I bet none of us really fancy being in a "parade", so it's probably a non-starter.. :c) 

    The thing we all probably do, and need to stop doing, stat, is being so truthful and speaking our minds, as if past and present trends continue, it'll become even more likely to inflame someones (externally instilled) "righteous hatred" than it currently is.. 

    I have noted what appears to be a rapidly increasing trend of words I have been familiar with the meanings and use of having their meanings arbitrarily changed, quite radically, and it's not been a good sign in terms of social order historically speaking...