Are our obsessions personally meaningful?

A tendency to obsess is, apparently, a feature of autism; but have you ever wondered if the subject, nature and intensity of our obsessions are peculiar to our essential selves, as opposed to our autistic selves? Or is there no separation between those selves at all?

There's likely no such person as a 'perfect autist' (in terms of matching every standard trait or behaviour) and many of us, no doubt, have thought while reading of classic symptoms:  'Well, I don't do that' or 'That doesn't really apply to me' almost as often as we've recognised 'red flags'...so can it be true that we have no other perspective than an autistic one? Are we, essentially, hostage to our own limited outlook (as neurotypicals are hostage to theirs)? I'm not convinced that is so, while being aware that even my view on this matter might well be restricted or skewed by autism. Irony is one of the few things I 'get'.

Take my interest in history. My obsessions/deeper interests are a loop, of sorts; something that might be telling in a number of ways. But, whether I'm aware of it or not at the time, my fascination with the Tudor era or the fate of the Romanovs or the ancient Roman Republic is always rooted in the contemplation of mortality - not the historical people or periods but the nagging questions: are their, and our, lives significant or meaningless? Is the past real or merely something I imagine? And most crucially: am I, and those I care for, really mortal?

It's always there, in the background of practically anything I think deeply about - I was so 'slow' that I was not young when I first realised people die, and I've never recovered from that crisis of realisation. I've always had difficulty in accepting it as truth, though this might just be denial on my part. It's a kind of immaturity. But while this obsession - which, curiously, does not make me a pessimistic person - so often subconsciously dominates my interests from the shadows, is it simply a result of autism or do I - we - have a mind outside of that perspective?

Is obsessiveness, or the need to obsess, being misinterpreted? And why are there always *negative* assumptions about the habit? In a tv interview, one prominent autism researcher was so crass and carelessly foolish as to link autistic obsession with the horrific deeds of the Columbine killers. That kind of glib irresponsibility won't aid or encourage the general public in their understanding of autism and autistic people.  It seems convenient that a tendency to obsess should be assigned to autists, as if this tendency were completely alien to so-called normal, 'nice' people. Maybe obsessiveness is both personal and universal, and apart from being neatly boxed as 'typical autistic behaviour'.

  • I'll take a fellow autist "banging on" about something that brings them joy for hours on end over chatting to the previous example any day of the week.

    Well said! 

  • As ever, Sam says it best.

    Along the same lines...it's been placed in the public mind that whole groups of people (autists, the mentally-challenged etc etc) are either highly dangerous or - forgive the word - helpless idiots. This is no accident, and can't be blamed on films, tv dramas, popular novels and so on - people who aren't considered 'useful' are wilfully outcast in this way.



  • To link it to things like Columbine I think is disgusting and just shows how utterley ignorant of autism some of these so called NT experts are

    I %100 concur with this statement.


    TBH I also smh at the unmittigated gall of NTs use of language towards us, when they have a special interest they call it being a geek or career goals, when we have one it's an "obsession". Rolling eyes  Obsession implies that it is unhealthy, but it isn't unhealthy to enjoy things and be dedicated to something you have passion for. The amount of time I hear NTs talk about how their job sucks or what they heard on the news, you'd think now that is an obsession and unhealthy because it's always about stuff that makes them miserable. I'll take a fellow autist "banging on" about something that brings them joy for hours on end over chatting to the previous example any day of the week. Laughing

    I also don't have a single special interest myself. This may be more or less common than I think so I'll just share: I have a main one Art*, and crafts by extension, that I've had the longest and decicated a lot of time and skill gain towards but I fail to see how that differes from a hobby as I don't even mention it much unless I'm in the company of other creative people. And I have "lesser" interests that are equally long lasting, history, archaeology, paleontology, biology, zoology, psychology, criminal profiling, and crime scene analysis, military vehicles, literature... and many more so I don't struggle to find a common topic to discus with people in conversations either.

    *The act of making art in a skill based sense more so than art history. The only art history big names I have any great interest in their work is Mucha and Kandinski.

  • Interesting question. I don't think there is really a difference between our autistic and essential selves, at least, not in the way you suggest.

    As for special interests, I think there is a link to our selves; it's not just random. My big special interest since childhood has been Doctor Who, which then spiralled out into other forms of science fiction, particularly TV science fiction. But, although I like science fiction and read/watch quite a bit of it, I don't think of 'science fiction' as my special interest. Much of the genre just doesn't grab me that way. My special interest is a particularly narrow sort of sub-genre that borders science fiction, fantasy and horror, where strange and disturbing things can happen in everyday surroundings or where the apparently everyday world is revealed to be a different reality altogether. I think this very much fits with the confusion I feel when out in the real world, the sense of not belonging and even of unreality and depersonalisation, the desire for escape and the interest I've had from a very young age (before I was interested in Doctor Who) in solipsism (not that I knew the term then) and the question of whether what we perceive as reality is  the objective reality.

    I'm not sure about my other interests. To be honest, I'm not sure any of them captured my attention in quite the same way and although I'm interested in many other things (Judaism, particularly Jewish philosophy; history; John le Carre's George Smiley novels), I'm not sure if any of them really count as an autistic special interest in the same way.

  • Thanks for your very interesting replies, everyone. I'm sorry that I couldn't be clearer, as usual. This failing, and its attendant frustration and despair, absolutely ruins communication I have with others. Sometimes, it makes me mute. So I do apologise for not being able to make my questions more accessible, despite the hundreds of words.

  • I think my obsessive interest is more me than anything else I have. I picked up mine from my dad, who was probably on the spectrum too.  As a kid there were always aircraft magazines and books about, airband radio tuned to the local airport and I would be taken along from when I was about 6. One thing I enjoyed it that my dad knew lots of other aircraft obsessives. I loved that the adults indulged me and treated me nicely. Far better than most of the kids I lived near, or went to school with. I was not bullied, it was a revelation. I then developed my obession more and more. While other teenage boys were learning about girls I was watching places at Heathrow. It is something that I kept secret from non aircraft people. Now 53 have written a couple of books about my local airport and am their go to guy for history stuff and helped organise a couple of events. That makes me massivley proud.Although lost me dad a few years ago still love airshows, museums and airports. It is what overwhelmingly makes me happy, it is my comfort zone because its about the only area of life I really feel like I know what I am doing. 

  • I dont think NT people will ever understand autistic obsessions or special interests. To them it just seems wierd to to be so intensley interested in one thing but then their brains arent wired like ours. To link it to things like Columbine I think is disgusting and just shows how utterley ignorant of autism some of these so called NT experts are

    As for if our obsessions or special interests are related to us personally, I think they are. I think they are related to things we are already feeling in our own lives. Like for instance, my special interest is Germany and for me a lot of that stems from how out of place I feel in the society I live in and the fact that the more ordered, less self concious,  straightforward sort of culture I see in Germany makes sense to me and feels like somewhere I can feel safe and identify with. One of my other special interests has always been cricket and similarly, the different numbers and statistics as well as the certainty of knowing every time the bowler will come into bowl and the same thing will happen is comforting to my autism. My other one is history and that is partly because I am scared of change and the uncertainty of the future wheras history is comforting because everything in it has already happend.

    So I think our special interests are related to us and our autism but like you say every autistic person is different so we are all drawn to different special interests. 

  • I don't fully understand your question but I think existential matters and personal identity weave through a lot of my interests - the ones I research and read about - in a heavy way.  I've read autistic people have a tendency to think deeply.  For me these are personal interests. I can't see how they are connected with autism other than maybe the extent to which I engage with them. To me they are a big part of my life but to others might seem esoteric or unusual. I know they aren't though. That's one of the good things about online is that you can find plenty of people who have similar interests.  

  • There's a certain colour or few colours I like. I am drawn to them like you wouodnt believe in all aspects of my life yet didn't realise until someone pointed it out. I think that might be more of a sensory thing. 

  • I'm afraid that's beyond my intelligence

    and mine, just closer to my interests

  • Interesting! Colour (particularly bright, bold colours) is another obsession of mine. In terms of colour preference, my favourite colour is actually red, although that doesn't mean I want everything in my life to be red.

    I do think certain shades of blue and green can be rather calming, particularly in terms of home decor and soft furnishings.

  • I'm afraid that's beyond my intelligence, Mariusz, so it's something interesting I hadn't considered at all until I read your post.

  • And we see this in the modern age - we rarely read of the contribution autists offer or make to society; instead, it's always about the 'burden' we supposedly present to others. We're made outcast, deliberately so.

  • associated with

    shorter wavelengths in visible spectrum. microscale dimensions?

  • These days showing obsessivness is labelled foolish in minds of people. It was implanted there with development of societies past the size of village, in order to make it easier to control them,  They think it's foolish to want to better self, when one can have everything given for 'free', and 'free' equals supportive of ruler's politics.

  • I think that autistic interest in colour and light hasn't been studied enough. Someone on the forum mentioned that autistic people have preferences for blue and green - is it a coincidence that these colours are associated with the ocean (and, of course, the interrelated association with the safe haven of the womb)?

  • That's a great example of narrowed focus/obsession. That slender focus, and the confusing, multi-choice nature of more modern societies are both inconducive to contented lives.

  • obsessiveness

    I think it has roots at the begining of mankind when we started to join in groups, dividing responsibilities. Nobody could posess all knowledge anymore. Often you had to find it yourself, and it bred obsessivness

    e.g. Hunter from a village would go hunting and obsess over where and how to track and then kill an animal to fulfil his role, and he wouldn't return until then, sometimes not returning for days. He would obsess after successful return too, to learn and find better tactics for future hunts.

    So I say every human has a gene that enables that. it's one of basic patterns in human behaviours.

    If it gets activated and used it's personal story

    is there no separation between those selves at all?

    I think it's a misguided concept to think that there is separation. There is one mind and one will. One mind, but part of it is conscious and part is unconscious, if they act against each other there is no will.

    Or in attributing some behaviours as symptoms of autism, Because allistic do those things too. Even more often, because there is more of them. it's just media don't blow on it because there is no hot news when you repeat something that was said day before about someone else

  • It's a good question and one that I've not thought about before. I'm inclined to say that I do consider my obsessions to be personally meaningful to me because if they weren't, I doubt they would be obsessions. For something to become an obsession, it needs to arouse my curiosity, pique my interest, or be something that provides me with some form of pleasure.

    I have an obsession with sparkly things (hence my username), be it glitter, sequins, metallic threads, or anything else that sparkles when the light catches it. Would I be just as obsessed with sparkly things if I wasn't autistic? I honestly don't know.

    If I was obsessed with something that I felt was detrimental to my physical or mental health, or likely to put others at risk, then I would feel inclined to ponder your question more deeply.

    Apologies if I've misinterpreted your question and gone off on a tangent.