Does there need to be a dedicated organisation to campaign for the rights and interests of autistic adults who are responsible for themselves?

I’ve actually thought a lot about the priorities of independently living autistic adults and how they could be better addressed in society. And about what it takes to make that happen.

It seems to me that as well meaning as NAS is there is a definite emphasis on the needs of autistic children and autistic adults who are unable to live independently. There may very well be good reasons for this and one reason might be that independently living autistic adults are more able to advocate for themselves. However in politics the voice of one person speaking on their own behalf is all too easily lost.

What might be useful is an autistic run pressure group dedicated to furthering the interests of independently living autistic adults. A kind of autistic union if you like. A point of contact to coordinate and facilitate political campaigning on matters of interest to independently living autistic adults.

A petition with 100 signatures delivered by a recognisable organisation has more impact than 100 random cursory letters sent at different times. And 100 well composed letters written with and containing carefully crafted resources and sent as part of a targeted campaign can get people's attention.

So now we are well into the land of hypotheticals. What should the priorities of such a campaign group be?

It seems to me there are 5 areas of particular concern

  • Social inclusion 
  • Employment 
  • Adult education 
  • Public services of which the 2 most important are
    • Healthcare / social care
    • Welfare / benefits.

My personal priority right now is social inclusion but there have absolutely been times in my life where each of the others was the pressing need.

To some extent the law already covers these areas. The equality act (2010) covers adult education and social inclusion (in the form of services like social clubs, access to venues etc) but these laws need to be enforced by private individuals in the county court. Issues relating to employment go through the employment tribunal system which is a bit cheaper and less risky to invoke. Issues relating to autism and public services like benefits and healthcare are subject to judicial review which is extremely expensive and basically impossible to do without a lawyer. Although my limited understanding is legal aid is sometimes available.

But for most practical purposes in the county court or an employment tribunal autistic people must represent themselves without legal support. The equality and human rights commission has a mandate to fund cases about disability discrimination but as a matter of practice they’ll only do so on appeal because appeals set legal precedent. What this means is unless you’ve got a very determined and competent autistic litigant with some spare cash the case is never going to be won so it can be appealed (except maybe at employment tribunal. most of the case law on autistic disability rights, and disability rights in general, is employment case law).

Autism is very definitely a disability under the act. The argument that high functioning autistic people function too well to count as disabled is occasionally made but the ruling in Elliott v Dorset County Council has made it pretty clear these arguments won’t hold water.

However educators, employers, service providers etc do not see the difficulties of high functioning autistic people as a disability but as bad behaviour. There is no awareness that what they see as bad behavior is in fact something they may need to accommodate or make allowances for in order to comply with disability law.

So there is clearly a two pronged approach, the first being to educate organisations about the fact that what they think of as an adult's bad behaviour may in fact be autism and that there are legal obligations connected to that. Secondly this needs to be backed up with legal authority. One way of doing that is trying to get precedents established in court. Another weaker option would be the guidance documents issued by the equality and human rights commission which are designed as an official considered opinion on how the law should be interpreted. They’ve never issued one on a specific disability before but I would argue autism is a special case.

But the reality is there are generally 2 ways to reach these organisations. Through direct campaigning or through politics by pressuring the government to pressure organisations. And in the case of healthcare and benefits / welfare the organisation is the government. So engagement on a political level is vital.

We can ofcourse approach government ministers directly but MPs have much more influence and a number of leavers to squeeze responses out of them. If we’re registered to vote we can all approach our own MPs to raise concerns and points but also there is a collection of MPs who have organised into a group specifically interested in autism and it should be possible to approach this group collectively. Since it’s coordinated by NAS it’s another reason to try and keep good relations with NAS as you push the agenda for independently living autistic adults.

So broadly speaking I think the objectives of such a body should be

  • better understanding of how high functioning autism presents in adults among organisations that might misinterpret it as ‘bad behaviour.’
  • Establishing legal presidents that pin down the rights of autistic people under existing law.
  • Improve guidance on legal compliance with disability law and autistic rights. Either by publishing our own or by encouraging more authoritative bodies to publish specific autism guidance.
  • Challenge government practice on the way benefits / welfare and healthcare / social care is delivered and triaged.

And of course some thought has to be put into what kind of resources would actually be useful in such an endeavour. The following come to mind.

A set of short pamphlets, containing about one a4 sheet of normal sized text, intended as a supper short introduction to autism, autistic rights and the law. We’d want ones targeted to the 3 main areas of concern not controlled by the government. Namely:

  • Education / university / colleges 
  • Employers
  • Service providers - venues / events / hospitality / organised activities / clubs and organised groups.

We’d also want as a resource, legal guides on complying with equality law when dealing with autistic people in each area. One for each aforementioned area. We’d have to be super careful to ensure the proper disclaimers were attached to prevent us from being accused of offering professional legal advice but other people have created such disclaimers on similar documents. The equality and human rights commission itself has such a disclaimer on its advice. And if the objective is to get EHRC to publish autism specific guidance, publishing our own isn’t such a bad idea. After all, if they object to what’s in our guidance we can respond by suggesting they publish their own autism specific guidance. 

As a resource it would be immensely helpful to start building a library of well documented case studies of specific instances where we believe independently living autistic adults have been treated unlawfully or in a way that should be unlawful. This resource of case studies is something we could use in campaigning and to illustrate the issues to MPs and the government.

The collection of case studies also facilitates the potential for intervention through lawsuits. If a legal fund could be established to bankroll those cases in the county court that have the potential to set precedent if they are later appealed at which point hopefully it might be easier to get the EHRC to pick up the case. To take things to that extreme some sort of formal charitable entity would have to be established to hold the money and give donors confidence it wouldn’t be misappropriated.

This is all very hypothetical but I’d be curious about other people's thoughts on the need for something like this?

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  • Yes I also agree that there should be an autistic led organisation and I understand that some autistic people find it difficult to access support. There is an autistic advocacy group called Autistic UK. Do you want to create a similar organisation to ASAN (Autistic Self Advocacy Network) in the US?

    https://autisticuk.org/

    https://autisticadvocacy.org/

    I know the aim for this organisation is to represent autistic adults who live independently, but I think it should represent all autistic people including those with high support needs. This is because if you have a separate organisation for certain autistic people, it will create more division and confusion in the autistic community and potentially segregation. This will not help the aim of increasing autism understanding.

    You could alternatively propose a specific section on the NAS website that focuses on independent living and autistic advocacy on some of the issues you have mentioned. This might not be helpful but you could look at the campaigning that NAS do.

  • I know the aim for this organisation is to represent autistic adults who live independently, but I think it should represent all autistic people including those with high support needs. This is because if you have a separate organisation for certain autistic people, it will create more division and confusion in the autistic community and potentially segregation. This will not help the aim of increasing autism understanding.

    I appreciate the argument that making seemingly synthetic divisions between those autistic people who are not able to live independently and those who are may seem counter productive but this division already exists and is a product of society and the way it treats differently presenting autistic people differently.

    Heres the thing if you're verbal and have an IQ over 85 the average neurotypical will say things to you like 'you don't look autistic' etc. By definition those autistic people who are not able to live independently have supporters and advocates, often 24/7, to speak up for them and its often obvious to those who come into contact with them that they are a 'special case' someone for whom special allowances and exceptions must be made. Like it or not some autistic people are 'hidden' and their needs overlooked, often by those who claim to champion the cause of autistic people.

    I'm suggesting nothing more than using our collective voice to speak out for those autistic people who are falling through the cracks.

    There is an autistic advocacy group called Autistic UK. Do you want to create a similar organisation to ASAN (Autistic Self Advocacy Network) in the US?

    I don't know much about ASAN but I do think direct political engagement on behalf overlooked autistic adults is necessary. Tool kits people can down load for self advocacy are all well and good but when a lot of people band together in an organised way to take issues to their elected representatives people tend to take note. As for Autistic UK I note a lot of their work relates to schools. Forgive me for saying so but autistic children already have a lot of advocates. I won't say they never fall through the cracks but as a group thats not for a lack of advocacy.

    This might not be helpful but you could look at the campaigning that NAS do.

    I'm already doing my own one man campaigning. I've approached the APPGA and my MP with my own case study. For various reason NAS is not free to assist me in it but even if they were I doubt they would wish to. I contacted them at the very start of my journey and got little beyond tea and sympathy. (actually it was on the phone so I didn't even get the tea)

  • Like it or not some autistic people are 'hidden' and their needs overlooked, often by those who claim to champion the cause of autistic people.

    Thanks for your comments.

    I agree that some autistic people’s needs are hidden, particularly those who are late diagnosed. You stated in your original post that you want to create some pamphlets about autism and autistic rights, I would be happy to help.

    if you're verbal and have an IQ over 85 the average neurotypical will say things to you like 'you don't look autistic' etc. By definition those autistic people who are not able to live independently have supporters and advocates, often 24/7, to speak up for them and its often obvious to those who come into contact with them that they are a 'special case' someone for whom special allowances and exceptions must be made

    I also agree that some autistic people will be supported by some really good allies who can advocate for them, if needed. However, I don’t think this organisation should exclude non speaking autistic people as many of them are great advocates if they are given access to an effective means of alternative communication. (I don’t know if this is what you meant, sorry if I misunderstood).

  • I think the potential organisation is a great idea. It’s good that you aim to include non speaking autistic people as often this group is underrepresented when it comes to autism and neurodiversity advocacy. 

  • However, I don’t think this organisation should exclude non speaking autistic people as many of them are great advocates if they are given access to an effective means of alternative communication.

    Indeed there are many non verbal autistic adults who are able to live independently. My intention was to suggest an organisation for those autistic people who don't have anyone who's job it is to look after them, who need to muddle through life on their own. That would include some non verbal autistic adults.

    You stated in your original post that you want to create some pamphlets about autism and autistic rights, I would be happy to help.

    I'm still getting my head around how this can be organised but I'm thinking maybe some sort of google docs account people can be granted access to for collaborative working might be one place to start.

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  • However, I don’t think this organisation should exclude non speaking autistic people as many of them are great advocates if they are given access to an effective means of alternative communication.

    Indeed there are many non verbal autistic adults who are able to live independently. My intention was to suggest an organisation for those autistic people who don't have anyone who's job it is to look after them, who need to muddle through life on their own. That would include some non verbal autistic adults.

    You stated in your original post that you want to create some pamphlets about autism and autistic rights, I would be happy to help.

    I'm still getting my head around how this can be organised but I'm thinking maybe some sort of google docs account people can be granted access to for collaborative working might be one place to start.

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