Is This Alexithymia

Once upon a time in the 1980s I was in the bath listening to Samuel Barber’s “Adagio For Strings”.  Then I heard my girlfriend come home. She walked in the bathroom and said uurgh! music to die to! I was surprised as I thought it was happy music. On the odd occasion over the years I have though to myself why is it say sad music. I have often wondered about such stuff. It does seem to be true that I find it hard to collect words for some things in the way that a literary person or someone describing music would.
It has taken a couple of decades but recently I thought about what would a happy piece of music be. I thought about Shiny Happy People by REM and watched the YouTube video. I love the song. It involves people smiling while dancing up and down. Ahh! I can see/hear a difference. This is happy because they are moving up and down at a particular speed and smiling. I can see this visually. But then it is their speed of movement which is a spatial distance and speed from the floor which is with the meaning.  That can’t be the only criteria of happiness though surely. Upwards is from somewhere and in this case it is the floor.  However I see the Adagio as uplifting in which there is the concept of upwards which must be up from somewhere. Up has to be co-dependant on a frame  of reference. Spatially could this be a floor therefore length.
The Adagio has beauty therefore a nice feeling so what is wrong with saying it is happy. Recently I read however that it is regarded as mournful and played at funerals.  I have been into Buddhism however and there is a notion that things share properties with other things. So maybe it is not so clear cut. But hang on it would be daft to say they are the same wouldn’t it.
Ok I am beginning to understand something and if you guys want to have a laugh at this then have a laugh on me! I sometimes laugh. It is just finding words for emotions and needing something visual to recognise a difference. Yes I think/feel visually and synaesthetically.  An emotion in me will be seen as a picture with colour but not necessarily figurative (an object or person). An emotion can be a splash of two colours with a gradient between them. Any spot on the continuum between them is a part of change of emotion. Sometimes one of the colours can represent the future and the emotion that it is.
As well I still believe it is not so simple. Words are hardly ever completely spot on the mark in identifying properties and qualities of feeling states. To me all emotions are images but even symbols are not exact and the taxonomy of words seeks to reduce emotions. Images in my mind/body can be abstract and they are not completely accurate. Also how can science reduce an emotion to a square if it is an image. Could all this let me off the hook or, well people would have a point in correcting me. Well maybe I finally am learning it is not happy music but music to die to sigh!
I would like to ask though pleasey weasy!
Can anyone relate to this? Is this Alexithymia? does it seem Autistic?
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  • Once upon a time in the 1980s I was in the bath listening to Samuel Barber’s “Adagio For Strings”.  Then I heard my girlfriend come home. She walked in the bathroom and said uurgh! music to die to! I was surprised as I thought it was happy music.

    I think this piece tends to be used in films are very tragic moments so people associate it with that and people play it at funerals because the deceased person enjoyed listening to it. I don’t think it’s a sad piece if I just listen with a clear mind though. I can have the opposite with one of Beethoven’s pieces I think Symphony 7 in A, I saw it advertised on a Classic fm most relaxing songs album but it can make me feel a bit agitated as I find it sounds quite intense. Happy music to me quite upbeat and in a major key, usually without intense dynamics. I think maybe the way people process music can be quite subjective maybe it could be dependent on neurotype, would be interesting to see if there are any studies.
    Alexithymia by definition is an inability to recognise or express an emotion for example having butterflies in your stomach and thinking you’re ill when you’re actually nervous, it does sound like you have synesthesia linked to your emotions so I’m not sure if that is separate to alexithymia or could be a combination? I don’t have synesthesia so I can’t really relate. I possibly have alexithymia, I can recognise very strong emotions (mainly anger,happiness, sadness) but anything in between is neutral or I need to ponder on it for a few days at least to work out why I’m behaving a certain way (I think at those times after a lot of thinking about it at various points of the last year I ‘m usually stressed but not at exploding point)

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  • Once upon a time in the 1980s I was in the bath listening to Samuel Barber’s “Adagio For Strings”.  Then I heard my girlfriend come home. She walked in the bathroom and said uurgh! music to die to! I was surprised as I thought it was happy music.

    I think this piece tends to be used in films are very tragic moments so people associate it with that and people play it at funerals because the deceased person enjoyed listening to it. I don’t think it’s a sad piece if I just listen with a clear mind though. I can have the opposite with one of Beethoven’s pieces I think Symphony 7 in A, I saw it advertised on a Classic fm most relaxing songs album but it can make me feel a bit agitated as I find it sounds quite intense. Happy music to me quite upbeat and in a major key, usually without intense dynamics. I think maybe the way people process music can be quite subjective maybe it could be dependent on neurotype, would be interesting to see if there are any studies.
    Alexithymia by definition is an inability to recognise or express an emotion for example having butterflies in your stomach and thinking you’re ill when you’re actually nervous, it does sound like you have synesthesia linked to your emotions so I’m not sure if that is separate to alexithymia or could be a combination? I don’t have synesthesia so I can’t really relate. I possibly have alexithymia, I can recognise very strong emotions (mainly anger,happiness, sadness) but anything in between is neutral or I need to ponder on it for a few days at least to work out why I’m behaving a certain way (I think at those times after a lot of thinking about it at various points of the last year I ‘m usually stressed but not at exploding point)

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  • Hi Thanks for the reply. You say to you the piece is not sad and a deceased person can enjoy listening to it. Maybe it purpose is to lift us from sadness therefore it has to be partly close to it then. 

    “it does sound like you have synesthesia linked to your emotions so I’m not sure if that is separate to alexithymia or could be a combination?”

    That is what I am trying to find out. As I understand it Alexithymia is Greek for no words for emotions. However I experience all kinds of shades of difference in imagery so does it mean it is harder to combine the two. If so could it mean there is another explanation. That is people who are seen as having Alexithymia can be very emotional and diverse with emotions but finding words for them is more difficult.

    Can relate when you say that you recognise anger, sad or happiness but anything in between you have to ponder on it.