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Are we at war?

Peter

Consider the way, as a people group, society treats autistic people. Think about some of the stories you've heard on this website over the years. What does society subject us to?

  • Our children taken away by the government.
  • As children locked in prisons called schools that fail both to educate and protect us.
  • As adults denied the chance to participate in important parts of public life such as military service.
  • The right to marry or decide whats best for their own bodies striped from so many.
  • Pushed out of the workplace not for a lack of skill but for not speaking the same unspoken language as the rest of society.
  • Criminalised or excluded because the way we talk and act alarms those around us who are afraid of anything different or weird.
  • Institutionalised with minimal recourse to the law.

If this was happening to a race, an ethnicity, a skin colour, there would be riots. Blood would flow just as it did last year when floyd was killed. Whether you espouse the pacifism of MLK or the 'self defence' of Malcom X the question remains why are we as a group so dossal? Is it because there is no common tongue, no common culture to unite us in our feelings of persecution? To remind us that they are not just persecuting me, myself and I but us collectively as a group? Is that why we do not reach out to each other and unite in activism? Or are we the the infantilised beings they claim us to be, unable to speak for ourselves?

Doing things together in unison perhaps does not come easily to us but isn't it time we rose up together with one voice to say 'this has to end?'

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  • The difference between the black rights movement decades ago where there was slavery, apartheid and discrimination was legal, even with nowadays with police brutality against black people like with George Floyd. Whereas for the treatment of autistic people in society today, is that some autistic people and learning difficulties people, they happen to be low functioning so they cannot live independently so there's no other alternative to have them living in care homes where they are institutionalised. The fact of the mater, that is very sad, is that they are not able to live on their own and go to work, pay bills, budget money, and do other adult things.

    You mention the right to marry. Also in the UK if a person has an IQ below 80 or is severely autistic or has learning difficulties, the british government can issue a court order baning them from having sex on the basis of not them being able to consent due to lacking mental capacity. And the british government can issue court orders to normal people who have mental capacity, to ban them from having sex with people who lack capacity. The Sexual Offences Act 2003 makes it illegal to have sex with what the legislation calls a "mentally impaired" person, when earlier versions of the law used the term "an invalid person".

    You mention school. School is good. School is good for a child's emotional, social, intellectual and developmental wellbeing. Also it gives them varied stimuli which improves their  mental health. There's lots of articles in the news about how the coronavirus lockdown is causing kids to have mental health issues from being stuck in the house with schools being closed.

    For the other ones, it's not black and white as you make it out to be. There are shades of grey. If a parent commits domestic abuse against their children, neglects their children, is unable to provide a safe environment for the children, or is unable to financially provide for their children, then social services should take the kids away from the parents.

    For joining the army, the army has mandatory minimum fitness requirements, and autism is associated with dyspraxia and slow reaction times. Also lots of autistic people were born premature which gave them weak lungs and a lack of flexibility with their bodies.

    About autistic people being discriminated in the workplace and made into social outcasts in social environments, that would be derailing the topic from a legal issue (based on government laws) to a social issue, and that's completely different topic in itself, so I'd rather not talk about that here, instead somewhere else as it warrants its own thread.

  • in reply to innocent21

    i dont believe in IQ personally.... all the IQ tests i have seen were multiple question... most people dont even know any of the answers to the question but will still get like 200 IQ due to randomly selecting anything lol

    as for the army, they are indeed allowed to discriminate. i wasnt allowed in navy... i can pass any fitness test, im fitter than any trash they get in there... their fitness tests are a joke to me, infact i dont consider them even a warm up, like what they want 20 push ups, a 5 second plank, 5 pull ups and a 1 or 2 mile jog in 2 hours? lmao its weak sauce fitness, my martial arts instructor kills us more than anything they can throw at me.... they rejected me on not having a social life though, which unsociability in the military costs lives...

  • in reply to Caelus

    I came to suspect there may be some accuracy in IQ testing when I did the "tickle" IQ test a while back and scored exactly the same as I did when I was tested at age 11... Of course, it doesn't actually mean very much in life, I've been left in the dust achievement wise by many truly thick people over the years. I see it much the same as owning a powerful motorcycle, that power is only really useful (and not lethal) if you have the nascent ability to use it..

    Otherwise it just brings trouble to your door. To paraphrase my evil stepmother, "the trouble with you, is you are too intelligent for your own good". Or the oft repeated "you think too much".

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  • in reply to Caelus

    I came to suspect there may be some accuracy in IQ testing when I did the "tickle" IQ test a while back and scored exactly the same as I did when I was tested at age 11... Of course, it doesn't actually mean very much in life, I've been left in the dust achievement wise by many truly thick people over the years. I see it much the same as owning a powerful motorcycle, that power is only really useful (and not lethal) if you have the nascent ability to use it..

    Otherwise it just brings trouble to your door. To paraphrase my evil stepmother, "the trouble with you, is you are too intelligent for your own good". Or the oft repeated "you think too much".

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