At war with my own body

Just wondering whether anyone relates to any of my experience of my relationship with my own body and its sensory issues, the problems it causes, and knows what if anything can be done about it.  Remove the triggers, they say, ...err I can get out of a crowded shop if it's stressing me, however much I desperately want to I can't get out of my own body...

I have twin phobias: all things medical and my body, triggering some damaging meltdowns when faced with bodily sensations or medical environments and procedures. (I have had them in situations other than medical contexts, particularly as a child, and of a much milder, much less frequent nature as an adult). They have been there all my life and are getting worse as I get older.  It was the desperate investigation to understand what is happening to me that, after months of searching for an explanation that fits, lead me to the NAS website and the realisation that I may be autistic.  I am awaiting assessment, but do think this fits with all the cognitive and social aspects of me as well as the massive sensory issues.  We'll see what they have to say, but as a minimum I am satisfied there is a sensory disorder here of some sorts, and if it's not autism, I sure as Hell hope the professionals have some explanation for me that will finally make sense.

I'm amazed I hadn't connected the dots before now, but on stumbling across the descriptor of melt downs, which appear to describe what happens, I scratched my head a bit and for the first time juxtaposed a range of issues with my senses which I have always known were true, but had always attributed to something else. Thinking about this now, I am wondering whether the fact that my body is effectively a lying little toe rag out to deny or mislead me about the information a body is supposed to provide a person with, has been responsible for the development of the fear I have of my body and those who handle it (doctors) all along. Specifically these factors are:

  • My mother says I did not want to be hugged as a tiny baby even.  I certainly had a childhood wiggling away from physical affection.  It always felt like an assault. My touch wasn't telling me it was affection.
  • I was late walking (my mother said it was like I was frightened).  I was certainly terrified of walking down stairs, shuffling down on my bottom long after my baby brother walked down confidently.  I wouldn't play on slides and such because I felt so un safe.  As an adult, more that once I've climbed up that steep hill for the reward of a view and suddenly panicked at what is supposed to be the easy part in coming down - so, something in my balance or spatial orientation is sending me danger signals when I'm not in danger.
  • I can't hit a ball with a bat or skip on a rope.  I don't drive now because I kept hitting objects I thought were somewhere else.  I couldn't bare it if that were a person.  So, my eyes are telling me stuff is in one place when it is actually in another and/or my body won't tell me where I am in space.
  • I have dyslexia and Irlen's.  And my vision wants to pick a fight with my touch over whether a computer screen is flat or not.  Without my specs with an Irlen tint, my computer looks convex, like an old analogue TV, but my hand will tell me it's flat.  Strong sunlight makes things dance.
  • I'd concluded the entirety of the British nation were horrendous cooks because everything cooked by my mother, the school dinner ladies, everyone else's mother was VILE beyond words.  It felt nasty and smelt nasty and tasted nasty.  I survived on fruit and raw veg. The smell of cooked British dinner still makes me nauseous.  But I think I've been lied to again.  Not every cook in the UK can be that incompetent, surely?
  • My basic sense of hunger is also woefully unreliable - I often don't get the cue until I have the shakes from lack of sugar.
  • My basic sense of pain is a very dangerous liar!  I had a C-section and felt no pain the day after.  I couldn't understand why nurses kept wanting to pump me full of heavy duty pain killers, which I refused.  Same when I had six teeth extracted - I was in full blown crisis, but pain? Nop! And yet, sometimes there are things that no one should find painful that have me screaming in agony - I'm sick of trying to explain what I'm physically feeling to doctors only for them to keep pressing me for answers I've already given.  I'm scared that my body is constantly telling me something is dangerously wrong when it isn't and might withhold the information when it is.
  • Two years on from the extractions I'm half way insane from trying to control the disgusting sensations in my mouth.  It's the first thing I am aware of when I wake, talking is unpleasant, eating is unpleasant.  They tried to give me plates and I was desperate for them to make me feel normal.  But I couldn't tolerate the feel of them in my mouth to the extent I vomited.
  • In therapy for the phobia, I've been repeatedly asked what I'm feeling physically and I couldn't understand why.  It had to be explained to me that there IS supposed to be a relationship between emotion and body sensation - only with respect to anger or fear do I feel anything at all and then it's nigh on impossible to describe.  I've been thrown in the waste bin of unco-operative patients for my failure to provide the correct answer..

When I take all that together, the metaphorical lights suddenly go on...of course, I am afraid of my body.  Of course, I hate it with a venom. It's lying to me, messing with my head, gaslighting me in fact, and has been for 56 years.

When these things can be fixed by fixing the environment, or leaving the environment - no big issue!  I can fix the Irlen's with a tint.  But what do you do when the the very feel of your own interior is freaking you out all day, every day and the only relief is in sleep? I can spit out food which feels rancid in my mouth, I can't spit my mouth out of my body.  

Has anyone ever experienced and managed to overcome something like this?

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  • Thank you. I'll a look now.

  • Well yes, sort of. I've always seen it as twin phobias. Not a body dysmorphia exactly. But there is a rejection of the body because it brings doctors to you. There were some adverse events with medical procedures as a kid and any interventions there after have sort of retraumatised me. The only diagnosis I've ever had is "acute phobic condition" resulting in "anxiety".

    BUT, I have always been aware that the abject terror in the waiting room pre-dated those adverse events. And I am beginning to understand why I think. I always knew I'd had food issues, was rubbish at sport etc, but had never connected the dots before. It's a new revelation that there must be something going on in my neurology to have created these fears before I was 2 and from my mother's description of behaviour at the doctor's the fear must date back that far.

    She describes two events in which I became completely and totally unresponsive.  Even though I was capable of whole conversations at two, I would not talk to them or otherwise respond.  One of these occasions followed an incident where she had to grab my arm quickly to stop me walking into traffic.  I nursed my arm for hours after and refused to talk or interact with anyone.  Afraid she'd inadvertently broken something, she took me to the doctor where I still refused to talk or respond in any way.  It took an age but the doctor eventually passed me a pen and I picked it up - so, no damage whatsoever.  Did I experience an abnormal level of pain when she grabbed me?  Makes me wonder.  Sounds like I shut down into myself though.  And it's making me wonder whether something at the doctor's earlier even than that had traumatised me, but because I was shutting down not lashing out, nobody realised.

    Moreover, I'm now wondering whether the adverse events, I've always blamed, might not have been as adverse for another kid. Maybe I felt extreme pain that they wouldn't, but nobody knew. If so, no wonder my parents and the doctors were not sympathetic and no wonder my little brain concluded they were butchers.

    I'm beginning to understand the sensory issues may have created the phobias by basically misleading me about the truth of the situation.

  • When I say developed, if you just try, there are lots of places on your body that can overload senses - hair pulling is a classic - it works in many ways - lots of physical noise adjacent to ears, muscle stimulation around every hair, tension feels nice and it requires a lot of strength from an arm  - and while you're doing it, the rest of your body is fairly still so people can stick needles in or whatever.


  • I can relate with alot of what you describe above but of course to different degrees, and being somewhat burnt out from posting a lot today I am unable to post much more currently ~ aside from recommending that you check and print out the information from the following link and underline and tick what applies for you, and make sure you give it to your diagnostic assessment team:


    Sensory differences ~ a guide for all audiences

    https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/sensory-differences/sensory-differences/all-audiences


  • Hi Dawn. This makes very disturbing reading. I'm not sure I've understood a lot of it, but from what I've read it sounds like you possibly have a number of mental disorders going on at the same time. The first one that springs to mind is Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD); and you may have a number of body-based phobias and/or Tomophobia (fear of surgical procedures and/or medical interventions).

  • I find it's just so much easier to be totally open with them - they see lots of stressed people every day - but it's useful to them to know I'm stranger than most.  Smiley

    It's why I developed a more benign stim - I don't want to cause myself harm.

  • Heartens me to hear that, actually.  I'm not a stroppy, bolshy person by nature, but that's what they conclude unless they know.  My husband is doing a grand job there.  And yes, I can go from normal polite and friendly me to sky rocket to orbit in a nano second.  There's no warning necessarily... rumbling sometimes, but not always.

  • They know I get super-stressed so they book me in first - it's easier for everyone to get me in and out fast.    The big problem I have is I'm just too nice - I don't give any hint of the internal stress until I can't mask it any more - so I'm just that jolly nice chap until I'm stimming like mad and crying - that why I pre-warn them - the switch is dramatic.

  • Blood tests are just about the only thing I can get through, but only if I have them at home.  There are a lot of triggers in a medical environment and they've normally got you sitting about in waiting rooms full of them for hours.  I'm past the point of no return by the time they call my name.

    I have got an at home phlebotomist, who has a lot of experience with kids with autism.  She can generally get them if she in and out quick.  If she hesitates, forget it, not happening today.

  • My feet bounce like crazy when I'm stressed too - but that's a bit dodgy for blood tests - I'm more worried about slipped needles so I purposely started the head rubbing instead - it keeps me static and gets my arm out of the way     It's extremely pleasant and distracting.    When I was spending a lot of time being fiddled with I ended up wearing a bit thinner Smiley       The interrogation works well too - brain overload - too many questions being fired to concentrate on the little needle.  Smiley   If you know you'll overload, help it along under your own control....

    Thanks for the well wishes - the scan will be fine - I hope.

  • Develop a stim???

    Goodness, there's a novel concept for me.  

    Until I figured out autism may be in the frame, had some one described a stim to me, I'd have said I don't have any...but...errr, I do.  My foot or feet bounce anytime I'm anxious and not actually standing on them at the time. I've always done that, but I am only sometimes aware.  I'd have said, well, just a nervous twitch, eh? Everyone's got one or two.

    But since they took my teeth, I have found myself rubbing my head round and round quite dramatically (that's popped up of nowhere and my husband has found it quite disturbing).  But it's not a conscious decision.

    It hadn't occurred to me that they could be consciously "developed".... hmmm.  Thank you.  Let me toy with that idea.

    Good luck with the scan. I wish I could say something more comforting - except to send you good thoughts and wishes.

  • I'm the same - my wife comes with me to the appointments in case I get tongue-tied and brain-fried.    I've explained all my weirdness to the nurses - and it's nothing they don't see quite often -  they are just happy for me to pre-warn them of potential freak-outs.

    You're clearly overloading when in the environment - is there no stim you can develop to distract your brain?       I've found pulling my hair and rubbing my head while flicking my eyebrows over-stimulates my sensory inputs long enough for most quick procedures.

    The phlebotomists have gotten to know me so they chat/question me really fast to make my brain hop around with the mental challenge - like a mini-Mastermind - specialist subject - anything nerdy!  Smiley    It allows me to hold my arm still for them to go to work.

    I'm having a scan next week and I'm terrified of the syringe-pump that injects the contrast media when I'm in there - it made some odd noises last time and I only just held it together -  I'm already panicking and I had a long chat with the oncology nurse today so she's going to talking to the radiographer to make sure it doesn't happen again.

    I try to think of ways to manage an unmanageable situation - can you mentally put yourself in any routine procedures to imagine a way to cope?

  • Ah, I'm glad someone has heard of this before, Plastic.  Maybe if I try searching an old post with something useful might pop up from the archive.  

    I seem to have both your problem - fear of the medical stuff AND the body stuff.  It kind of laves me sandwiched in an insolvable and inexorable trap between the two. And I'm beginning to understand that's why the mega melt downs are kicking in - I literally can't get away and can't mitigate it.

    The only available strategy to navigate some of this seems to be my husband doing all the talking.  He's learning how to communicate the problem to medics so at least they don't start shouting at me and understand nothing is targeted at them personally.  The rumblings start the second I'm in the room and I don't absorb a word said to me and can't get more than a few syllables out. I'm becoming untreatable.  My mother says as baby I would become totally unresponsive in doctor's surgeries (that alone suggests this is no ordinary phobia to me). Figures, now.  It think the responses have migrated from total inward collapse as a baby, to a total outward explosion.

    I can no longer go to any medical appointment on my own.  That's hard and makes me feel quite vulnerable as I am naturally very self-reliant.  I don't like depending on anyone.

  • I've heard of this sort of stuff before but I've never read of someone with so many concurrent symptoms going on together.        There's been threads on here about interpreting pain differently and also about the visual disturbances but I don't know if they would be of any help to you.

    Does you gp have any thoughts about your position?

    I think I've mentioned before that I have a bunch of medial phobias - like needles - but I'm able to stim like crazy to get through most of the routine stuff.      I just tell the nurses that I'm going to be a bit weird and what's going to happen and that to carry on unless I specifically tell them to stop - no matter how distressed I appear to get.

    Do you have any coping strategies?