Should autistic people campaign for recognition as a distinct part of humanity rather than be labelled as disabled?

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The faulty assumption there is the basis of any model like that is that that is the correct way to be and that there are no other different social models. Its like when geometer's thought all there was was euclidean geometry and then long down the they found non-euclidean geometries such as hyperbolic geometry. Autistics are in the non-euclidean geometries in that analogy

You're talking from a reality point of view, I'm talking politically - and the way that finding ways to separate people is all about divide and conquer.

You don't *have* to live like an NT-  you *choose* to.    You throw yourself into the frying pan.    There's perfectly nice and acceptable ways to live without playing their games.

I can't disagree more. Its not a victims group. I have to live life as an NT and do all the things they do, get sucked into games and politics they play that puts me at a severe disadvantage because I'm not built for that and its like asking a cat to fly or someone from a jungle tribe to work as an accountant in the city. It doesn't work but just because it doesn't, does not mean they are lesser or disabled. They are just a different kind of human being. We just aren't built for it. However just because we are not built like NT's doesn't mean we are disabled (because we aren't like them) (I am obviously excluding autistic s with learning disability tc. Autism seems not not exist in isolation) . I can live a perfectly functional normal life if I can live how I am built to live. So recognising that as meaning I am a different type of human being to NT's rather than saying im dysfunctional because I am not like them is a step in a direction of advance for humanity. 

I agree - also people tend to group with people similar to themselves.     I suspect all of my long-term friends are undiagnosed aspies..

Blue said:

From a logical standpoint dividing and separating individuals in to a sub groups is not an ideal solution to this problems and promotes segregation of individuals with autism and promotes non inclusion in a variety of things that the majority of people like myself would like to have equal opportunities to pursue and access.

I don't think it segregates autistic people (like myself) I think it would actually make life on planet earth much more inclusive and accommodating to different types of human beings and would show that everyone has a place here. Denying that recognition and labelling us as disabled is just mild oppression in my opinion and is actually the toxic route to take. Recognition that we are a distinct part of the human family and not just a dsyfunctional version of an NT is the superior route to take. 

I'm finding the 1:160 unrealistic - maybe lower-functioning, very obviously autistic people are in that ratio.   I think you're concentrating on the lower-end outliers.

I'm finding the majority middling auties and aspies and high-functioning are everywhere - quietly doing their thing - mostly undiagnosed.    I'm feeling it's about 1:3 in my estimation.    I can spot them a mile away - 'aspie-dar'..

I guess your actually not autistic from your comments so I guess your just validating my point that NT people are potentially labelling us as disabled because we don't live life like you. The NT: If someone lives life differently to me they are disabled. Thats the issue. Again I am obviously excluding autistics with comorbidities such as learning disability.

I have to disagree with you. If autistic people live life in a way that suits them there are no issues. The issues come from trying to fit a triangle into a circle. The world is designed for NT people not for autistic people. If you took someone from a tribe in south american jungles never seen a thing from the outside world then force them to live in London say would you say they are disabled? I don't think so. 

I meant very few when compared to neurotypicals. the statics at the moment are something around 1 autistic individual to a 160 neurotypical individuals they fundamentally hold to power because their is more of them than us. They have designed the typical workplace to pander to status and manipulation which many autistic people including myself can't seem to emulate or want to emulate. 

We do exist as statistics to a majority of UK businesses and its wrong. A large majority of large companies are hiring autistic individuals for the wrong reasons such as an inclusion statistic on company charters and financial incentives from local authorities and employment charities.

The majority of autistic individuals that the majority of the media point fingers at for being extremely successful had monumental support from simple things as encouragement from their family and understanding, The majority of them where within reach to critical infrastructure such as resources that a vast majority of regular autistic individuals don't have access or the opportunities or the financial advantage to provide and promote a child on the spectrums special interests giving them the critical advantage of skill that outways the social awkwardness that many autistic individuals needs to procure long term and sustainable employment or creating a business or an empire.

There are many examples of this being the exact case, with many autism influencers and Autism oriented business are primarily from upper middle class families in society. In fact the National Autism Society are also responsible for this as they tend to operate in financially influential areas of major cities across the UK avoiding providing work programmes across rural england. .    

Many autistic individuals are not given the accommodation and support in post high school education such as college and university with many autistic individuals being restricted by financial pressure that prevent them from gaining skills required to pursue employment within their specialised interests. This is the case for many autistic individuals from rural and poorer background in the UK with many being forced into working Slaughter Houses, industrial livestock farming and industrial cleaning which many autistic are unable to sustain long term because of natures of the businesses and social component required in these work environment .

It's often the two main subgroups of autism society focuses on when it comes to autistic individuals an it usually the highly successful or those who are severely intellectually challenges and not those individuals who are capable but need the right opportunities or support to successfully gain long term employment which is needed to provide enough money to live independently. it's these autistic individuals which need to be the focus on more as we are often told to get on with because of ableist attitudes from both well advantaged autistic individuals and neurotypical individuals. 

[i am not be rude or aggressive just trying to get my point across from my own experience and i do admit i am still rather young to have the experiences you do but would like to express that your post are a great support and motivation.]         

Blue said:

Individuals with autism is very few

I disagree - the older I'm getting, the more aspies I'm meeting.    

Basically, it seems that anywhere where someone has a skill or can provide a niche service or has to be technical or engineering or computing or architecture, you'll find all the aspies - mostly undiagnosed because of their age and they are in their comfort zone so they don't have all the problems of dealing with NTs.       Conversely, wherever you find inefficiency, incompetence, sloppiness and failure, that's where all the NTs hang out.    The control the world not necessarily through numbers but by status and manipulation.      We tend to be poor at fighting our corner and also we have better and more interesting things to be doing than playing BS games all the time - we just get on with our specialist skills.    We 'don't exist' as statistics.     The only ASDs who are on the radar are the ones needing more help because they are in the wrong place - their life or job or environment isn't conducive to personal success.

Just my observations......

no what is it ? ,,, explain or add a link please

No, I think that it should be classed as life long disability but saying that i also believe that more needs to be done to separate both mental health services and neurodevelopmental services into two completely separate services on the basis that current mental health services in the UK doesn't accommodate mental health intervention or treatment for individuals with neurodevelopmental disorder such as autism and ADHD.Autism is disabling because the majority of humanity have created society, infrastructure, employment model design specifically for neurotypical people.

From a logical standpoint dividing and separating individuals in to a sub groups is not an ideal solution to this problems and promotes segregation of individuals with autism and promotes non inclusion in a variety of things that the majority of people like myself would like to have equal opportunities to pursue and access.

From an autistic individuals standpoint the term "it a different way of thinking" doesn't help the majority of us and enables non autistics to not take any disabling situations from autistic individuals non serious manner that leads to mental and physical health issues with autistic individuals.   

The world's population is majority filled with neurotypicals, Individuals with autism is very few and among the individual with autism less than a 1/3 of them have autism with no comorbidities and there is a very small proportion of those who are able to successful integrate in to society with very little to no help and support. Among those individuals who have autism and are able to successfully integrated and succeed into society less than one in hundred understands and recognise that compounding factors including access to opportunities and among other environmental and economic avantages.  

it benefits everyone with neurodevelopmental disorder such as Autism, ADHD and other learning disabilities to band under one banner because more people means power to promote change the majority of the neurodiverse population needs to succeed in neurotypical world.      

Peter said:

We are the closest thing To intelligent alien life most neurotypicals will ever meet.

And their first response is "Shoot to Kill".    Kirk was the model for our future. 

Autistic people are part of humanity? I have to say from personal experience it often doesn’t feel like it. The impression I get from reading the research on autism is that the neurological differences between autistic and non autistic people are greater than the differences between men and women, white and black, young and old. From what I’d see I’d say the differences in our life experiences are greater too.

So fundamental are the differences that a researcher has recently published a paper claiming his algorithm can diagnose autism with around 95% acuracy just by examining the patterns of brain cells In our retinas.
We are the closest thing To intelligent alien life most neurotypicals will ever meet.

The level of difference raises questions like should autistic people be tried by non autistic jury’s? Are we different enough that in an ethical sense they can no longer be considered our peers? Because from where I’m sitting often it doesn’t feel like we’re even the same species.

Intersectionality is great great way to slice a population into infinitely smaller victim groups - it's promoted heavily these days as a fashionable method of divide and conquer.

Once everyone is categorised and labelled, you set off the Hunger Games by dramatically reducing funding and get out the popcorn.     And people will not see it coming....: 

Are you aware of the social model of disability?