Issues with NT at pain management clinic in london.ANY help would be great.

SlipStream said:

I'll try and condense it all down.

Basically i'm on an input course for 3 weeks....mon-fri...go home friday evening go back sunday night ready for the proceeding week.

This first week has been tough...

The tough ice-breaking week first, the tricky sailing week second and then hopefully the last easier sailing week third ~ providing everybody has worked out how to get along with or else tolerate each other.

SlipStream said:

and its abundantly clear that this course..(which effectively amounts to inner emotions, psychology -regarding pain,) its abundantly clear that its not a very autism-friendly course at all.

One autistic chap left in tears earlier this week due to the entire group of nt's ganging up on him (very much lord of the flies- little groupings attach to each other and the odd fishes(us) are insidiously shut off.

Its took everything in my power not to demoralize the therapists and members of the group(patients)...

There's ono ex-addict (i have no issue with that)other than within a view hrs i could categorically see she wanted the centre of attention from the get go,and is petulant beyond measure, spiteful and quite a nasty piece of work.

I won't bore you with all the dynamics of the group, but I have had to disclose my Autism at day 3 of the course as it was becoming abundantly clear no one got me at all..

They want to stroke each other's egos and live happily ever after in there ignorance and lies.

(Remembering of course that people on the spectrum are a minority of about one or two in hundred in the UK supposedly) the vast majority of therapeutic workshops, programs or courses cater for the neurologically typical as a majority by way of stroking their egos, so as to normalise their societal assumptions (in part socially fostered) and help them improve their social pretences (in part personally adopted or adapted). As such a ‘game’ of “Together” is played, and the members of the group will take on more or less competitive roles, usually until the social hierarchy is established and everyone settles down into their respective roles as being more Followers, Supporters, Leaders or Facilitators.

SlipStream said:

I truly brought up the Aspergers debate..ie nazi links...and it was genuinely in context to what was being talked about and every look at me with their mouths open, even the inept therapist.

Not one of them knew this,,,

Aside from those who are Autistic, most people know little of what autism experientially as a condition involves, and most know absolutely nothing about any of the historical politics involved. I mean we are still at the stage of things where some medical and even mental health professionals have only read about Autism amongst hundreds of thousands of other diagnostic conditions, and then fail wholly to recognise it or won't even accept when people actually describe having the condition!

SlipStream said:

but it was their reactions.....

By going from the personal to the social frames of reference that was required, you obviously went though to far informatively by taking the subject matter further from the social frame of reference to the political.

Recall or consider anew that politics is as a subject considered ‘taboo’ (i.e., banned on grounds of morality or taste!) in respect of maintaining ‘polite’ social conversation.

SlipStream said:

its really doing my head in and i want to push so many buttons for their part in their own ignorance and treatment of myself and other Autistics at the group.

Remember firstly that the onus is on us to assist allistic people in understanding and comprehending what Autistic experientialism involves, for we as autistic people know as such and they as Allistic people do not.

We need also very much indeed to recognise what Allistic people find experientially acceptable ~ because their disciplinary upbringing (normalised abuse) was both shared and enforced, and on balance those that value it the most are the ones suffering most from Stockholm Syndrome! Hence at very least psychological humiliation, intimidation and annihilation are considered as widely accepted problems in society with caveats like its just for fun, it’s character building and they deserve it.

The fact we have not to the desired extent conformed with Allistic disciplinary procedures; obviously demonstrates that previous countermeasures have failed and more severe behavioural enforcements are often believed then as such to be required ~ with the basic idea being that we also get inclusively broken or hazed into the societal mechanism, just like it is ‘assumed’ everyone else has had to and will ~ or else!?!

SlipStream said:

I take no pride in this but the ex addict i would have in tears within less than one minute and all of my appraisal would be true and far more accurate than the moronic therapists that only seem to be there to placate these poor souls.

Be particularly careful with this way of thinking as it demonstrates a fragmented and contradictory thought process along the same lines of “I am not racist but I hate that foreigners do or don’t this, that or the other!” Such contradictory fragmentations of intellect result from having been inclusively oriented at an earlier stage of life, but then traumatically having been driven to be exclusive and elitist in orientation.

The main problem is much like a Knight who has been mortally wounded ~ who without medical attention puts on another suit of armour on top of the one they are already wearing, with the new suit being unlike the old one as it is not constructed purely to protect, but to also instead do harm!?!

So with two sets of heavy armour on, and mortally wounded, the Knight is at a disadvantage in terms of already having been harmed, and risks doing more harm than good to others also.

SlipStream said:

Ive come to realize that for me anyway...(due to my Autism and very difficult day to day issues)That my brain has become extremely good at assessing people...their true selves, that  they try to hide.

The problem here is that in all likelihood you know less than they do about their true true selves, and that they may know very little or even nothing of their true selves at all ~ but only really the relative validation of their social maskings (or Personae), which to various degrees or extents they have been socially fostered from parents and guardians and personally adopted and adapted in relationship with or in relation to others also.

What though you are most probably aware of is their intentional patterns (or characters) of orientation being contradicted by their behavioural patterns (or characters), providing that is you are aware of your own contextual biases and are not therefore projecting them yourself as personally assumed narratives ~ and mistaking one thing for another, losing or putting things in translation, and all that sort of thing.

Hence as one of my favourite expressions and disciplines goes:

“For the love of God, the sake of sanity or else all that you may hold dear ~ remember always that the [psychological] map is not the [physiological] territory!”

And of course first and formostly always reserve the right to wrong!

SlipStream said:

And once seen, i can't unsee it...(if that makes sense)...

I find the idea of unseeing things an entirely foreign concept, but having multiple different contextual perspectives in terms of being Schizo-affective I am entirely familiar with in the me, myself and I sort of way, rather that the Rod, Jane and Freddy sort of way involving distinctly different personalities or alters.

SlipStream said:

And i just want to pull them apart for being so stupid!...but i am learning not to rush in and do this....

It takes true strength to keep the “pull them apart” beast contained, and practising deep and gentle breathing as if the nose is in the centre of the chest and the lungs are in the pelvis, with each inhalation being used as if to suck the feet to the floor, and each exhalation as if to root the feet to the earth, this helps to tame and contain the beast.

SlipStream said:

Sounds arrogant right? but im talking about nasty people that try to pass themselves off as sheep but i can see the big ears and teeth quite well thank you and I'm having none of it.

Make especially sure not to miss inwardly what you’re observing outwardly whilst other people’s inner beasts are seeking, finding and exploring freedom from their embodiments involving yours.

SlipStream said:

Really nasty people that genuinely look at you like you're a freak...and oddly enough...i look at them in the same way....but only in the sense that, why are they so hostile?

Well if everybody on the course is attending to manage the psychological emotions and the physiological restrictions of chronic pain, hostility will be more rapidly triggered and already fired up as a defence on account of experiencing painfully frayed nerves, and physiologically and psychologically resulting hypersensitivities ~ involving Wounded Animal Syndrome.

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Another thing to consider is that those who fit in with societal norms get more positive identifications, and communicate and relate more personally in terms of rewards or affirmations.

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And those who do not fit in with societal norms ~ get more negative identifications, and communicate and relate more personally in terms of punishments or negations

SlipStream said:

do they think they'll catch autism from me?

Most probably not, but their instinctive (unconscious) reaction to what is unfamiliar and unsettling behaviour to them ~ triggered their disgust, aghast and agape reflexes. They will not have been thinking so much but much more biologically reacting to you as if you did have a contagion, so they distanced themselves from and closed themselves off to you (involving at least micro gestures or at most macro behaviours), as also helps them to sociologically impede mimicking or emulating your individual behaviour ~ and instead augment their own collective behaviours to exclude your own. Such behaviours are meant to serve as warnings to play the game according to the rules Allistics identify with, or else increasing enforcements can more likely be the result.

SlipStream said:

Actually its 2 people within this first week, with Autism that have been taken off the course...

How this sequence of events will be interpreted by the group therapists (or service provider) may involve the assumption that these two departures are just natural drop outs (as occur on almost every course), or concerns may already have been raised or will be at some stage sooner or later.

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I mean if autistic people in particular keep dropping out or perhaps even complaining during the ice-breaking stage of the first week, the therapists or service provider may well have to consider what Autistic experientialism actually involves, and as such make “Reasonable Adjustments” according to the ‘Equality Act 2010’ for Autistic patients, especially if they have asked.

SlipStream said:

its truly bothering me badly!

If it is still particularly problematic and the situation is more than just a rough start session, maybe get in touch with the Patient Advice and Liaison Service (PALS), and discuss the matter with them as they can sort complaints out (pretty effectively in my experience).

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If you are still feeling really wound up, and it is out of standard business hours, give perhaps the NHS 111 advice line service a try ~ and see what they advise, as they can pass the details of the matter onto your local PALS team if you permit them to, which can prep the way and make things easier quite possibly.

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If you find none of that works, you can also try the POhWER Advocacy Service as they deal very effectively with service provision problems in the NHS.

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If any of that helps?