Just a thought

It might be a super silly thought but it’s just crossed my mind so here it is (don’t beat me up please): are people on the spectrum tend to be bureaucratic? (because of adherence to the rules, need for clear and detailed rules and procedures) Would that mean that autistic folks like red tape?

  • I thought about it and I think I’m just angry and confused. At work there are lots of procedures everyone needs to adhere to but, what annoys and confuses me, they change. Or being ignored from tome to time.

    Example 1. Everyone has to do obey some rule and it’s a big deal and suddenly someone higher decides it’s not necessary and they just change it or scrap it altogether (if it can be changed/abandoned why bother in the first place and make big issues of it? if it was important it should stay important and not suddenly change status to “not important at all”)

    Example 2. Some rules are being ignored and it’s apparently not that important so what’s the point if the rule if it can be ignored? Or rather-can be ignored by some? Others are being told off if they are not adhering to this rule. Why I should obey a rule if someone else doesn’t have to? 

    Example 3. Rules that are not bad themselves but because of other circumstances are creating problems including health and safety one

    Looking at people in my workplace I see there are some that stick to the rules no matter what (do they have ASD traits?) and others who stick sometimes(attitude: ok,whatever, I’ll fo it if I’m told to do it)

    And I’m the one annoyed by the rules because they not clear, I don’t know which are important and which are not (I don’t consider something an important rule to follow if it’s only something someone else’s thought it would be a good way to do, without even explaining why they thought so) 

    And I’m annoyed at others that they don’t really care and they officially agree and accept to the rule and then keep ignoring it.

    So because I’m defying nearly every new rule in the workplace I thought-maybe it’s a prove I’m not on the spectrum at all. Because there are other people who are real sticklers(ASD trait) and I’m a bit of a rebel.

  • No Smiley

    What I'm doing is prettier and more 'in keeping' than any other extensions  (overblown need to do the right thing).

  • I hope you are not planning any "monstrous carbuncles". It might upset Chas, and he's already teed off with Handy Andy. Definitely make sure you bring it up with building regs before work commences. It gets incredibly expensive when you have to build, tear down and rebuild. On another site, I saw the contractor put in a very expensive slot-in replacement window. At which point the householder turned up and told me that the builder's merchant had delivered the wrong design. The contractor frantically decided to try and lever the window out, and I knew straight away that he would probably only be able to get it out by damaging both  it and his own rep. So I immediately suggested that the householder might want to take a look at the new design and see if he liked it. Luckily he agreed, just in time for me to shin up a ladder and tell the contractor to relax. Stressful places, these construction sites!

  • I'm hoping.

    There's also the fact that between my plans being approved and my building, the planning department has moved and centralised - and they've lost my plans so I'm hoping they will sign off whatever monstrosity I build because they don't have any records to compare to.  Smiley

  • My guess is he will try to make it easy, for both of your sakes.

  • My cunning plan is to casually mention it to the building regs guy - he'll say that I must be compliant with the regs - so it becomes his decision - so I can throw him under the bus if planning disagree after.  Smiley

  • Try and let them know on the quiet first, that you've found an error; without going into a formal complaint procedure. These guys are definitely fallible, and I reckon if you point out to them carefully that they've made a small mistake, they will probably try to rectify it so that neither you nor they lose face. I was once on a site where the planning inspectors turned up and advised us to stop work immediately, saying that a planning application hadn't been received. I pointed out to them that I personally had delivered the application to the planning office application box in good time. But there was nothing acrimonious about this, from which I conclude they knew that it was probably a miscommunication. They accepted that they might have made some mistake, but still advised immediate stoppage. Before we even got back to base, word came through that the plan had actually already been accepted. So we were back on the same site, the next day.

    My original plan on leaving school was to study Town & Country Planning. I got as far as being accepted by a couple of polytechnics. I wish now I had stuck to my original plan.

  • I've always worked in the incredibly regulated environments of military, space hardware, pharmaceuticals and nuclear - so rules is rules!

    I have a quandary at the moment - I'm building an extension and I've found a tiny error/conflict on the plan - a window dimension is wrong - it needs to be slightly bigger to meet building regs (they signed the plans off without noticing) but if I make it to the legal requirements, I should inform the planning department - but they could cause me all sorts of grief because their rules are completely arbitrary and vary on the judgement of the person's whims on the day - and they could demand a full planning application that they might refuse.    If I don't make it to the legal requirements, the building inspector will spot it as he has to inspect this detail to sign it off.

    A third route is to just build it how it needs to be and hope they don't notice or apply for a certificate of normalisation afterwards - which could end up with me having to re-build it to their demands.

    This is really bothering me,  Disappointed

    What would you do?

  • I think I am pedantic. I get very annoyed when people don't follow rules. Even if it is a minor 'bending' of the rules. 

  • I work in for a small company and when occasional introduction of new rules occurs I always do my best to adhere to them and feel that doing so is the correct thing to do but my NT colleagues have a very loose and fluid interpretation of the new rules and apply them or ignore them on a  hock basis  and they cant understand why I don't ,but that is just their kind of logic ,very confusing .  

  • I’m waiting for an assessment and keep over analysing my every thought and every behaviour and trying to place myself somewhere on or off the spectrum, trying to find all the answers myself because waiting for an official answer drives me crazy.

  • Lol. A good question. I've thought about this in the past. Been an engineer most of life and wouldn't say that's bureaucratic at all except following service manuals. When I retrained as a librarian it was maddeningly bureaucratic- tonnes of procedure everywhere, but now I rely on them and wouldn't have it any other way- as I've gotten older, I do rely on rules more so now

    As for red tape...nope not in an officious way, but a project or research needs criteria ticking.

  • Greetings from M'self. Your Post seems (to Me) as if a bit new to all of this "Autism" business. Yes, one of the main characteristics of Autism is a preference towards Order, Routine, Schedule... and this is to do with saftey/security (delete as applicable, anyone.). So it is not a "silly thought". Generally - perjhaps this is My own opinion, howeverv, - if given a Rule to follow, We (Autistics) try to follow the Rule, but when it is broken (by Allistics) then We can say... "But I followed that rule!", and We may be excused from blame... at least until another unfair counter is offered. ("Well You should have known better", or similar to that.)

    ...Generally We follow Rules and what is told, but if told to "improvise", then that can lead to good things or very bad social traps, depending upon the situation and to whom One is speaking.    ...Maybe this was not such a helpful post, sorry, but I wanted to offer some support upon the subject...? It seemed that You are starting to find out about Autistic Traits here. It is a very large subject, and so good luck to You. Ignore the Negatives and focus upon the positives... but most of all, work towards what makes You Yourself feel confident and relaxed. That is all from Myself for now, really.