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PIP Tribunal

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My son is 21 now. I had to re-apply for his PIP after notifying them of a change with his daily life skills (ie cooking, driving and working (cleaner) There decision was that he is no longer entitled to any PIP!

George had to attend a PIP interview before their decision was made and I went with him. He was not assessed in any way at the interview (reading, retaining information, budgeting ability etc etc). It was all by just verbal conversation. They say that he can do complex budgeting (even though I gave evidence of his special needs school qualifications where he was not even entered to do a maths gcse as he was not capable of doing it). The PIP interview was so flawed. How can they come to the conclusions they have when no testing was done, the health care proffesional was a nurse,( not a psychologist), no medically approved or educationally approved form of testing was done etc etc. Also, it was done in a controlled environment in a room with no distractions and where there is one person talking at a time, and the interviewer was puposely talking very slowly. The evidence I have given does not appear to have been taken into consideration. I had sent in a lot, so maybe they didn't have the time to go through it?)

Can anyone give any tips or advice to help with regards to the Tribunal, giving evidence and using the right terminology? 

Big thanks!

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  • Former Member
    Former Member

    Your evidence needs to prove what you are saying. For example, not being entered for a maths GCSE doesn't prove he can't manage complex budgeting decisions unaided, all it shows is that his school didn't think he was able to gain a certain level of academic qualification. My brother wasn't deemed academically able to sit this qualification, nor most GCSE's, but is able to budget in regards to managing his Universal Credit to be able to plan for and pay for regular travel abroad and he recently spends a few weeks solo travelling around Europe. Furthermore, I used to be a basic skills tutor and I'd have adults who were only sitting primary school level qualifications but were managing household budgets. On the other hand, I used to receive PIP points for managing complex budgeting decisions unaided as I genuinely couldn't do this due to my MH. I was able to easily prove this using my bank statements. 

    It might help if you list what points you felt your son should have achieved and what evidence you submitted to prove these points then others could explain what additional evidence might be useful instead?

    In regards to the assessment, I struggle from sensory overload in noisy and busy places, thus, I'm really glad they've designed the consultation to take place in a space where I'm given the best opportunity to articulate my thoughts. As an autistic, I'm also conscious about how varied those labelled as disabled by society are and as such I don't think the DWP would be able to design an 'assessment' that could prove in the moment how millions of people meet such a wide variety of criteria. For example, I might be able to complete some sums on paper but this wouldn't mean I'd get home recklessly spend money to overcome suicidal thoughts then not have enough money to pay my bills. I prefer the current system where we've able to gather evidence (often over a long time period), have a number of weeks minimum to articulate our thoughts before we have to return the application form, then we simply attend a fact-checking appointment, where we also have the opportunity to hand in additional evidence. I'm better at working in small chunks over a period of time so I have a folder on my computer where I upload any useful evidence, including letters from specialists, work emails etc. Then I'm able to easily print them off when its time to renew or update my application.

  • in reply to Former Member

    hi, thanks for taking the time to reply. I’ll definitely act on your advice when I start working on this. I’ll be going through all of the evidence again that I have, and that I have already provided. He’s no longer under a specialist and I’m wondering if it might hold more weight to get a private assessment by a psychologist or get some kind of recognised testing. I’m going to spend a lot of time on this and do as much as I can, and acting on the good advice I get. Thank you again

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  • in reply to Former Member

    hi, thanks for taking the time to reply. I’ll definitely act on your advice when I start working on this. I’ll be going through all of the evidence again that I have, and that I have already provided. He’s no longer under a specialist and I’m wondering if it might hold more weight to get a private assessment by a psychologist or get some kind of recognised testing. I’m going to spend a lot of time on this and do as much as I can, and acting on the good advice I get. Thank you again

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