Who are you? (Adult Aspie identities)

It occurred to me when reading a post recently that adult Aspies sometimes seem to have spent so many years masking, mimicking & changing their behaviour to fit in that their "real" self has become subsumed by a "fake" self, or they feel they no longer actually have a real identity. I think that by reading accounts of the traits of other Aspies we can identify with some of them, and this can help to rebuild a sense of self. So I'm going to start with a list of Aspie traits that are "me" and I hope others will join in.

I have a an good long term memory, good eye for detail and pattern recognition. I have an interest in language and could read and spell well from an early age.I've always been clumsy with poor coordination and struggled to write neatly at school, and I still hate writing now but I like typing.

I have a history of struggling in work situations and moving on to another job when I can no longer cope. I have had times when I missed work a lot due to stress. I have never enjoyed meetings and work social events. I get frustrated if I get too many things to do at once. I don't like talking on phones. I don't like being observed, photographed or filmed.

I have never had a lot of friends and used to be a people  pleaser, while resenting the fact that other people took advantage of me. I am good in one to one situations but have difficulty in group situations and  find  it uncomfortable when there are several different conversations going on. I am often bored in social situations but can talk endlessly about a topic of my own interest. I have often "burned bridges" with family and friend relationships because I just don't see that I have anything in common with them and trying to continue just seems a bit of a strain on both sides. 

I am very sensitive to strong emotions in others and can be influenced by them. I have a high sensitivity to touch and cut the tags out of clothes. Certain smells really affect me. I hate people standing or sitting too close.

I hate the word "disorder" in  the term ASD and refuse to be classified as "disabled". My perception of autism is that it is a label which refers mainly to the difficulties created  for Aspies by social constructs, both  physical - busy roads, supermarkets, offices, public transport, etc - and relational - being expected to want to join in with small talk, group activities, etc. We do have different patterns of thinking, but everyone is different. When we're alone we're not autistic. We are unique individuals who add to the total of human experiences. I like Temple Grandin's observation - if it weren't for the creativity and innovation of autistic people, the human race would still be standing around in caves making small talk.

  • Thanks Pixiefox for such a wonderful thread! I missed it at the time, so I really must keep my eyes on the positive and upbuilding threads! Thank you indeed. 

  • Hi MT! It’s another Sunday. Time marches on. You’ll never catch up with me agewise! I’m probably coming to the end of my sessions with a caring psychologist who is not an expert in autistic spectrum personalities but understands an awful lot about them. Or rather a ‘refreshing’ lot about them. It’s good to sort out historical stuff so as to be able to move forwards. You write well. Hope to ‘see’ you around. RvW

  • I've always rejected being labelled and conforming to some supposed group identity, even before diagnosis.

    Now that I'm older, and I know myself better, I'm much more comfortable. I identify as me, and people that can't handle that are the ones needing help.

  • Totally Start Trek lol

    And all sorts of SciFi :)Blush

  • Pixifox and SciFiGreg - I think that perhaps one of my happiest times of life was sitting as a teenager programming my ZX-81 (later ZX-Spectrum), finding out how machine code worked, in my bedroom whilst listening to random sounds from a shortwave radio, or 1980s electronica playing on my record player (which of course I had "improved" by modifying the speakers and amplifier!). I also liked the early SciFi stuff where Sci was forefront and Fi was a little secondary (the sense of wonder created by Dr Who from the 70s and 80s about mysterious beings and forces). I never "properly" got into Star Trek but kinda wish I had.

  • Hi, sci-fi Greg. I identify with practically everything you've said. My first computer was a C16, then got the C64 A couple of years later. I'd left school though by the time I got a computer, and it was even weirder then for a female in her early 20s to be into computer science, so I wasn't brave enough to join an all male computer class at my local college.

    I also like Star Trek, plus Dr Who, Farscape, etc. Plus the original Star Wars trilogy. I used to read sci-fi novels almost exclusively, Asimov, Arthur C Clarke, etc. 

    My favourite animal is also the cat, and I also like to say hello to them in the street.

    I used to watch the Simpsons for a long time but got a bit bored with it. I'm currently watching old series of 3rd Rock from the sun on catchup tv which I never saw when it first came out.

    I like trance too and used to dabble with music production, using samples.

    Live long and prosper!

  • I'm a nerd who loves sci-fi, tech, comedy and cats [although I do love animals generally, I have a thing for cats specifically].

    Something I had to hide during my youth as being a nerd was not a "cool" trait in the 80's / 90's and would often bare the association of being "weird".

    • I've always been fascinated by tech - before I was into computers I was fascinated by digital watches and scientific calculators
    • I've always wanted to work in IT support - which I've been doing commercially since 2004 but since I got my C64 in about 1986-7 at the age of 5 or 6 computers became an obsession
    • I'm obsessed with sci-fi "Space Opera" TV - specifically Star Trek as a kid but encompassing many other shows as I grew older - my current sci-fi TV obsession is The Expanse
    • Having evangelical fundamentalist Christian parents and being a rational, scientific thinker I have a keen interest in the psychology associated with faith-based belief systems
    • I listen to Science / Tech podcasts
    • I love The Simpsons and will frequently reference episodes / scenes
    • I'm obsessed with cats - whenever I see one I have to try and make friends
    • I listen exclusively to very specific styles / subgenres of Trance and Progressive House - when out of work for a year I taught myself how to produce music using Propellerhead Reason - something I get lost in for days
  • I'm mostly home-based now plus in some kind of recovery as well as readjustment in the light of my diagnosis.  I hope to survive a good while longer though in order to see my sons into a better position in life.  

  • Thanks for all your replies. I want to  highlight and respond to many things said by many people, so I am replying to my original post - not sure how these threads work, but hope its ok. 

    Wavey said "Only autistics can focus enough to find their true self in adult hood."

    Martian Tom said " I almost feel that my life has no meaning, so I have to strive hard to give it meaning"

    I'm done with Christmas cards said "I'm beginning to see my real self. I'm also re-growing my foliage, but carefully choosing the buds that take only a little energy to grow but have the most benefit."

    NAS50812 said "I don't know who I am. I have an identity crisis... I found it easier to play that character than to talk to people as I ordinarily do"

    In the book "A field guide to Earthlings" Ian Ford explains brilliantly how NT's form their identities. Between the ages of 12-17 they ''try on' identity groups, their role in the groups, and how they display themselves in that role. If asked to describe themselves, they would say something like: History Teacher, Cambridge Graduate, mum of two, Labour voter, Manchester United fan, etc. Their behaviour is then set to match others in those social groups. Once they develop a display that works for them, they spend the rest of their life armoring it to make it impossible to deconstruct. They are certain of their identities and fearful of them changing. We are more in flux and able to make ch,ch,ch,ch, changes (Was David Bowie autistic??) We strive to find meaning.

    Jenny Butterfly said " it's as if I've always needed a strong, protective "top dressing", with the uppermost question in my mind being not, "What do i want to do?" but "What am i supposed to do in order to survive here?"

    That is why we mimic - it's a survival instinct.

    Plastic said "I managed to survive long enough to deliver on my obligations. Now I'm broken and a house-husband"

    My partner is a house husband, and brilliant at it, better than I am at being a housewife. You have worked hard and now have the opportunity to reflect and work out what will make you happy, rather than others, while enjoying things like making sure all the clothes hangers face the same way and each type of cutlery is stored in the correct sections of the drawer (bliss!)

    Tiny Explorer said "The diagnosis for me is the beginning of reconstruction... peeling away years of layers put on you by the outside world... tofinally reveal the true genuine authentic artifact underneath. It is authentic original art."

    Amen, Tiny Explorer.

  • I managed to survive long enough to deliver on my obligations.  Now I'm broken and a house-husband.

  • I think that once health and economic factors pile on it becomes truly difficult.  I can relate very strongly to that feeling of being trapped.  Plus it's horrendous that it can depend upon someone accidentally witnessing what's going on before any action is taken.  Even then the action might come way too late and not actually be what the victim hopes for or needs.  

    I've not experienced being removed due to a safe-guarding issue but have been in situations where I've not dared speak up for fear that the effects of bullying and manipulation on my mental health might lead to capability grounds being used against me.  Bit of a nightmare to be honest.  

    And the getting sicker and sicker all the time - just awful and the end result of others' behaviours.  It grieves me that said others often come out unscathed and often either uncaring of or barely aware of what they've done.  :(       

  • I look back and see my younger self struggling in environments in which I simply didn't feel safe at all.  This actually began when i was 4 on my first day at school but then continued much later in life in the workplace too.  In many ways I was forced "underground" as a person because my fears and lack of safety felt inadmissible.  I didn't hear anyone else sharing such feelings anyway and if I voiced anything I was apparently being "silly" or "too sensitive".

    In many ways a safe environment would be the opposite of what I experienced.  Not sure, though, why acceptance and understanding seemed to be peripheral at best.  Maybe it's improving but I still feel cautious out there in the world.   

  • I so relate to each and every post in here. I think growing up, living autistic is experiencing continuous trauma without realising it, without any fuss and drama, getting on with it. The diagnosis for me as the beginning of reconstruction.

    The way I feel, how I read this thread is peeling away years of layers put on you by the outside world, by what it is growing up, living autistic, to finally reveal the true genuine authentic artefact underneath. It is authentic original art. 

  • I became a victim of many circumstances.   I started a job and within a couple of months, the management announced the 3-year plan to close the place because of unreliable customer deliveries.  

    It was rather specialist and the machines were very unreliable so the company was going to cut their losses.   The existing team had failed to sort out the problems. 

    The pay was very good and the was a large monthly bonus for meeting targets (which was never achieved)

    I looked at all the problems and most were simple fixes - within 18 months, I'd got it so reliable that we got the bonus every month.   My opinion of the others was dropping as I realised what a lazy, incompetent, badly managed bunch they were.

    Then some external things happened that pushed my stress thtrough the roof and I developed a serious stress-related illness as a result.  

    This meant I'd have difficulty changing jobs because of my health (companies don't need to accept health problems unless you've been there 2 years or more).

    Putting our daughter through private schooling meant I really needed the bonus every month so I became trapped.

    The company was chuffed with our new-found reliability so there was an indefinite stay of execution on the business.

    Then the manager came under pressure because he couldn't explain the sudden changes without looking like a complete idiot so he just covered everything up - and blocking my career progression so he would keep his job.

    From there on I got totally used and abused - but couldn't walk away because of my health and my daughter.  I just had to take it - and I got sicker & sicker.

    This went on for many years until a director accidentally witnessed how I was being abused - I was removed from the department instantly as a safe-guarding issue.

  • I too hope it will develop more form as we go along with more knwoledge and awareness of who we really are. 

    As you allude to, a safe environment in which to do this is very key.

  • I kind of closed down in such situations and really there wasn't anything I could do to fight.  Too much stacked against me and then my very closing down was construed as a performance issue and a fault on my part.   I can't deny that those same two words were in my head while they played different cards in a game that was bound to see me out. 

    I guess my own foolishness lay in my inability to fully recognise how things were stacked and take steps to protect myself or escape such toxicity and damage.  My limitations related to lack of understanding of what was really happening and an inability to act upon it or cope with it.  My strengths became invisible, basically due to clarting things up because of extreme anxiety in such situations.  And apologies for making a bit of a trite statement - I sort of meant strengths and limitations in surviving against the background of hectoring, bullying environments rather than our more general skills and abilities (which in my case seemed to get trodden underfoot anyway), but I expressed it clumsily.  It may have been very different for you.  But I just couldn't get the lie of the land and then plan an effective way out, nor see those qualities in myself which might have helped me in that process.    

    I'd really like to go back and tell my 21 year old self, of course, (and various older versions of myself too for that matter) but I'm not even sure that would have helped, bullying manipulative environments being what they are (one of them was an NHS mental health trust too so it should have been easy for them to see what they were doing).  It all altered my ability to cope.  And I still find it hard to believe that some employers can behave like that. 

    What I really needed to know was how to seek out nurturing, fair working environments. 

  • In that way the description "foolish" is probably just a shorthand for underdeveloped and unaware of our limitations, and our strengths too actually.

    Yes - in the same way an adult can manipulate a child.   I know my strengths - my integrity, my technical abilities, my strength of character - but they count for nothing in a political, manipulative environment.   I cannot fight my corner.   When I get stressed to breaking, my vocabulary reduces down to just 2 words - **** OFF.   And that stops me being able to communicate effectively.   Those words are just shouting inside my head so I become mute.  

    Conversely, in a nurturing, fair working environment, I am seen as the best thing since sliced bread.