hi all,
not sure if this is the best place. Perhaps we need a category for campaigns. But now the government has published the statutory guidance for implementing the Adult Autism Strategy it would be good to share our experience of implementation around the country. In Cumbria we have a Cumbria Autism Partnership Board with NAS representation that is holding forums around the county to get participation from adults and carers. Nothing has happened yet. I will keep you posted.
Autistic people do not go round making unprovoked attacks on people because of their condition.
The Killer might also be Autistic as his Parents are making light of the killing and I do not suppose the killer cares either. The killer proabably did not have a chance to speak as he was sent straight to Prison.
His Mother and Father appear Psychopaths as they did not care that their son killed someone. I am going by what I googled a few weeks ago.
On a related point the National Autistic Society say that AUTISTIC people might experience Neuro Typical Bullying at work Bullying should never be called NEURO TYPICAL.
The bully might also have a DISABILITY.
Disabled people often bully each other.
Many people have undiagnosed Disabilities.
If you watch the killing on You Tube you might come to your own conclusions about the killer.
David
I don't think anyone is claiming the killer was NT, but likewise it has not been claimed that he had mental health issues or anything else - as would normally come to the fore with tabloids digging up everything salacious they can. I also would have thought that his laissez faire mother would have been quick to use mental ill health as an excuse were it present. Even if he had a mental illness, he should be securely locked up and given appropriate treatment anyway for a very lengthy period. Anyone who thinks that behaviour is acceptable, in their right mind or not needs removing from society for everyone's safety. It's different if someone was defending themselves from attack, but this poor man was stood their with his arms by his side, clearly calm whilst this animal viciously lunged out at him with full force.
I never will understand that people get off with lighter sentences by admitting they did it. The logic (or lack thereof) is astounding.
Whether the victim had autism or not, what he suffered deserves appropriate punishment.
The title is right, UK justice isn't fair. It's injustice.
It is true that the victim would have been alive today if he had just walked away but we must not blame the victim. The Court might have wrongly blamed the victim in fixing the sentence or it might have been short as he pleaded guilty.
I googled it and saw a video of what happened so I know most of the facts.
Another thing is it is wrong to assume the Killer was Neuro Typical what ever that means.
The Killer might be Autistic or have some other disability.
Most people in prision have a mental disability and many prisoners should not be in prison but in a Mental Hospital or other Secure Accomodation.
The Killer got Four years in prision for the killing and six months more as he was under a suspended sentence for Robbery. The Killer might next kill someone who gets in his way while on a Robbery. The only hope is that the Atorney General will appeal and the Appeal Court will agree it is an over lenient sentence and increase the sentence which should be served in prison or a Mental Hospital.
David.
Sorry when I replied i only read one reply so I was not replying to the other post.
Have to go might reply to the other post later.
longman said:At one point my complaints resulted in a meeting with a very senior police officer who assured me he would take the matter on. He retired the following week.
I admire your Aspieness Longman. The thugs and liars of the world always look out for their own. I would rather stand by my principles and be on my own doing so than be like them. Good on you for your valiant efforts, and I'm sorry that the evil cretin got away with it.
I don't think that not normally dying from a punch or what background he had is extenuating though.
The point is, that the risk is there. It's not unheard of that people have died from a punch. This is why people have to have a driving licence, because a car is a very dangerous weapon in the wrong hands, so people aren't allowed to just get in and try to drive because of the risk. So people should not be throwing punches because of a risk existing, and it's not as if we are talking about the risk of getting in an airplane and it crashing, this is an action of violent assault. It can never end well.
I don't care what background someone grew up in, it doesn't give them the right to do this, he was an adult. He took a human being's life.
For the record, I have told people cycling on the pavement they aren't allowed to do it on several occasions. Are we all to live in fear of speaking the truth and trying to get people to follow laws that are there for a reason?
I think that the one sentence that sticks out as crucial is that the perpetrators mother did not see the horror of this crime, which makes me think that the perpetrator did not have the moral values instilled from an early age, he may have come form an abusive home, where he may have seen violence as normal.
Also many people get into arguments and beat the xxxxxxx out of each other, and live to see another day. This occurs in all social environments. It is not the norm for someone to die when punched, if it was I believe more people would definitely think twice.
In all fairness it is likely that this person would have struck out at anyone who challenged him, disabled or not.
It is without doubt horrific because the victim was only trying to do the right thing and our 'reaction is fuelled by the fact that this could very easily happen again, and that having an asc increases the risk. an asc person may not know how to diffuse the situation and will instead stick to their principles, thereby through no fault of their own escalating the conflict.
It is possible that the perpetrator showed remorse and possibly his upbringing may have influenced the courts leniency.
Ps. I am not condoning the behaviour and my heart goes out to the victims family. I hope they can find comfort in knowing that their son was only doing what he thought was the right thing to do and that he could not have predicted the outcome.
Ah IntenseWorld, in an honest world.....maybe. But this is the police - it is patently obvious he was being protected.
I should say I have an ambiguous perspective of the police. I've worked with the police a lot, and there's a lot of very decent officers out there doing a dedicated difficult job.
But there's a lot of dross - probably moreso than in any other organisation - and there are some really appalling people working for the police. And they seem to have no mechanism for rooting them out - indeed the police seem to "breed" bent coppers.
I was just unlucky. The individual who assaulted me was clearly supported by colleagues so any attempt to get his actions dealt with fell on stony ground. I did get injury compensation though, but it hardly paid for all the travel into hospital for repair and recovery of the use of my arm.
My assailant continued to pass me every day. Despite having distinctive features and a distinctive bike, they seemed unable to identify him. On one occasion they questioned a fat man on an old bike. My assailant was tall, this and gaunt faced, with a very flash bike.
In the end I took to trying to follow him, and that's how I worked out he was employed at the cop shop. I tracked back along his route so he passed me earlier than he would, progressively, day by day. In the end, perhaps owing to my detective activities, he disappeared.
At one point my complaints resulted in a meeting with a very senior police officer who assured me he would take the matter on. He retired the following week.
As I say, I know a lot of hard working genuine police officers and I admire and respect them. It doesn't change my overall view that most police forces are corrupt and signally fail to regulate themselves.
The saddest thing, note how the victim fell into a disabled parking space on the ground. It's just too awful for words.
OMG Longman, why didn't you pursue it when you found out his identity? He got away with it and you shouldn't be the one feeling afraid after what he did, he should.
Although on a new direction of the thread, I'll carry it on. I'm very much inclined to object to pavement cyclists, drivers manoeuvering on the pavement or parking up on the pavement, or parking on dropped kerbs, and cyclists who cut-up pedestrians on crossings by cycling across and weaving round them.
I can get pretty pedantic and outspoken about it too. Trouble is the suddenness of cyclists, especially from behind, and conflicting movement really affects me badly.
About seven years ago when I objected to being asked to get out of the way by a cyclist pushing up behind me (when there was plenty of space the other side) the cyclists attacked me and pushed me over some railings, and I fell down an embankment into the roadside (this was an elevated pavement alongside and above the road). This happened after dark. Fortunately someone saw it and got me an ambulance. I had a broken shoulder, now repaired with a plate.
Though there is legislation governing cyclists it is pretty well unenforceable, and mine was never charged, though I found out he worked as an ancilliary at a nearby police station.
I've been much more carefull criticising cyclists since.
But I wonder its not just being pedantic, but the sensory issue as well. Being buzzed and jostled by cyclists, especially if several are passing, really confuses and disorientates me.
I think he should have got 20 years. No-one has the right to physically attack another person like that, society would be safer with mindless thugs like that locked away. The injustice is appalling. And is it just me, or does it appear that he got leniency because he was "provoked", the autistic person had it coming? Their disability caused it? It's disgusting.
My eldest is rule driven and thinks that others should be grateful when he points out the error of their ways. He is very confused when his good intentions are perceived as anything but.
It scares the hell out of me that someone will attack him for just being a good citizen.
He doesn't understand that his sideways glances towards people he is uncomfortable with actually draws attention to him, as it is seen as challenging.
As a parent it is difficult to encourage independence, when the dangers of being attacked are compounded by our children asc.
The sentence does sound lenient, but not knowing all the facts, it is impossible to comment on this case.
An Autistic man was killed in Bornmouth with a single punch.
The Killer got sentenced to four and half years and will probably serve half that.
The victim asked the killers mate not to cycle on the pavement.
The Killers Mother treated the killing as a joke.
He has has been in trouble with the law before for Robbery
I know it was Man Slaughter not Murder.
Should not the killer have got at least ten years in prison.?
What do others think?
David Shamash
there is still not many area following this according to it there is supposed to be an audit of all autistic adults in the uk,more information with nhs.job centers etc but i am still shown ignorance
Eloquently said and intricately woven.
You talk with the wind.
Bravo and welcome.
You say,
'We are, of another ethnic group; 3,500 years ago we were of a recognised social group,'
I would be interested to hear more about this, it is a special interest of mine, but please if you don't mind in a new thread so as not to derail this one.
I have attended a local forum on the strategy. It looks like I will be joining the Cumbria Autism Partnership Board. But nothing much will happen before the end of financial year. We need to see how many people still have jobs before they can implement the strategy.
Hi Mike,
Sounds like a great idea for a discussion and something that'll be really helpful moving forward.
We're planning a section of the forum that will cover both campaigning and consultation issues - using functionality that'll allow us to have an area specifically for these topics as well as allow for the uploading of supporting documents, etc.
That should be coming soon but in the meantime I think the General Chat seems like the best place for the discussion and it'll be interesting to hear how the strategy has been implemented.
Hi Mike
Maybe a campaigns section might be a good idea but may be Jim V could give us a bit more guidance on this.
