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Constitutional reforms?

Do we need them, I think we do, I don't like the first past the post system and would like to see some form of PR,although I'm not sure which version yet.

I did find something I agreed with Jacob Rees Mogg about, not something that happens often, that a new PM should hold an election to get a mandate from the country. We had Truss and Sunak foisted on us, it's all very well sayiing that in a party system you vote for a party not a person, but when a new PM comes in mid term, they seem to rip up the manifesto of the previous incumbant and do something completely different that no body asked for. The idea that a small percentage of the population, those who are Tory Party members can foist their will on he rest of us is ridiculous, of course it could happen with any party, but it has happened with the Tories more recently and often.

I think reshuffles should be kept to a minimum too, ministers need about a year to really get to grips with their brief and start making changes, many are in place for about this time or less before being replaced by someone who has to go through the same process all over again. It dosen't lead to coherant management or policy.

Id like to see the second chamber reformed but I'm not sure how, I don't like all the superannuated politicians, crony's and hereditary peers, but whats the alternative? WOuld we have the same lot of failed politicians seeking reelection to the second chamber, would we end up with a situation like America often does, where govermnet grinds to a halt because what one house does the other blocks?

I'm a reluctant royalist, I dont' like the idea of kings and queens, but I like the idea of a President Blair or Johnson even less.

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  • PR is not a good idea for us. It typically leads to coalitions, which is ok when national politics are less oppositional than ours,  but would be unworkable with our own - as we saw with the coalition of 2010. 

    PR would have given Farage's fascist party around 60 seats - a terrifying idea. The FPTP system doesn't favour small parties,  a very good thing in this case. It can also give us strong government, which is what the electorate hoped for in 2019, and what I hope we'll get now. 

    As for needing an election if the governing party changes leader, we don't, because we vote for a party and not a person. Change of leader is a party matter. Usually it goes to the memberships, which is how we as individuals can have a say. 

  • Despite the fact that yuo are (presumably) a lovely person who does fine, fine artwork, I've just flagged you for spam/abuse becuase I'm tired of reading you calling a swathe of people fascists incorrectly.

    I'll be doing Martin next when I read a third post of his calling Reform voters fascist. 

    "Gaslighting" is ABUSE.

  • And yet in fact, Farage is a fascist. Not my opinion, his own. An acolyte of Mosley.

    I did think everybody knew that - after all he's been around for long enough.

  • You are actually putting in so much effrot here that you are counting your words??

    (And that really IS a WEAK answer to my calling out the nature of the people who ALWAYS start the unpleasantness here). 

    I see your "diatribes" and raise you a bunch of "Asinine Bloviation". I'll give you the last word here and look forwards to the next time you or your type come an take a pop at me or my kind.

    I KNOW there will be one, based on the last three years.

    I got the measure of you, Debbie, a few months back when you actually started trying to tell the MODS how they should be running their forum!

    This place is for ALL of us, and  not just your "type" of person. You and yrou ilk are going to have to learn to accept my type of diversity, gracefully.

    That's all there is to it. 

  • Nice way you guys have turned the driection of conversation by the way. Very nice. (/s) Never takes you leftists long to start talking about hurting people, does it? YEs, you started that line of conversation, and over the last few years I've noticed it really IS the leftists who always start talking about violence.

    I've actually only used 11 words on this thread with regard to your diatribes, but you have used hundreds.

  • inconvemnient little fact, but every time the left has been allowed it's head it results in mass deaths (like the holodomor) that DWARF anything National socialism has ever achieved..

    You are just offering a choice between being shot in a field or or gassed in a death camp. Left / Right, Blue White, It's all so bloody banal..

    Nice way you guys have turned the driection of conversation by the way. Very nice. (/s) Never takes you leftists long to start talking about hurting people, does it? YEs, you started that line of conversation, and over the last few years I've noticed it really IS the leftists who always start talking about violence.

    ALWAYS.

    And to complain about me trying to silence you for having an inconvenient point of view, that's how we roll here. A few momths ago I had someone flag about ten of my postings going back as far as two years right before a bank holiday. reporting people for saying "the wrong thing" IS what we do here! (IN between calling each other emotive names and casting aspersions and leaping joyously to the conclusions that suit US & OUR emotional needs.

    Isn't it good? Such a lovely way to get along? 

  • . Us "racists" want to preserve an element of our unique cultural identity which includes certain values, ideas, and ways of doing things

    Oh yes, I know. 

    As for you reporting me for abuse - I said nothing that isn't a fact, made no personal remarks about anyone. 

    I can only conclude that your actions were intended to silence me for expressing a view with which you disagree. 

    Whatever. I have better things to do.

  • they are being legalised under the left wing socialists though, so again its the socialism part of national socialism that is the problem.

    modern gas chambers include assisted suicide programmes such as dignitas that lefties support, many countries are getting that or a equivalent now and it allows depressed young kids with no problems to use it... 

    also mass abortions too, which are murdering human beings in a faster rate than anything in history, that is good to left wingers and you all want that no?

    life is sacred, and its the left doing everything to discard millions of lives in todays world. its the socialists, and i believe they have always been the issue and everything else has just been a scapegoat.

    hitler once proclaimed he was a socialist and vows to destroy capitalism...

  • you know nothing about the subject then as oswald mosley was infact the father of the EU, everything farage opposes and took us out of.

    it was oswald mosley that was the very first person to term and create the term of a "european union" of which he got that from hitler and after his death he was the first person to then propose this european union.... but he did it in britain, we all voted no and told him to bog off.... he then left the country as he wasnt loved here, he moved to france, he spread his idea, he died, his predecessors then created the european union.... so when you learn the truth you realise farage is actually opposite of mosley...

    but yeah, mosley wasnt a fascist he was a national socialist, so yeah, fascism can be a opposite of national socialism... monarchism can be too... just basic nationalism could be, the problem part of that combo was the socialism part. we had many forms of national for time immemorial and it never caused issues, its only a issue when this nationalism that added socialism to it came about...

  • And if we were to get PROPER fascism, maybe the cost of a train ticket would be affordable,

    It would be free.

    On the way to the gas chambers.

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  • You are actually putting in so much effrot here that you are counting your words??

    (And that really IS a WEAK answer to my calling out the nature of the people who ALWAYS start the unpleasantness here). 

    I see your "diatribes" and raise you a bunch of "Asinine Bloviation". I'll give you the last word here and look forwards to the next time you or your type come an take a pop at me or my kind.

    I KNOW there will be one, based on the last three years.

    I got the measure of you, Debbie, a few months back when you actually started trying to tell the MODS how they should be running their forum!

    This place is for ALL of us, and  not just your "type" of person. You and yrou ilk are going to have to learn to accept my type of diversity, gracefully.

    That's all there is to it. 

  • Nice way you guys have turned the driection of conversation by the way. Very nice. (/s) Never takes you leftists long to start talking about hurting people, does it? YEs, you started that line of conversation, and over the last few years I've noticed it really IS the leftists who always start talking about violence.

    I've actually only used 11 words on this thread with regard to your diatribes, but you have used hundreds.

  • inconvemnient little fact, but every time the left has been allowed it's head it results in mass deaths (like the holodomor) that DWARF anything National socialism has ever achieved..

    You are just offering a choice between being shot in a field or or gassed in a death camp. Left / Right, Blue White, It's all so bloody banal..

    Nice way you guys have turned the driection of conversation by the way. Very nice. (/s) Never takes you leftists long to start talking about hurting people, does it? YEs, you started that line of conversation, and over the last few years I've noticed it really IS the leftists who always start talking about violence.

    ALWAYS.

    And to complain about me trying to silence you for having an inconvenient point of view, that's how we roll here. A few momths ago I had someone flag about ten of my postings going back as far as two years right before a bank holiday. reporting people for saying "the wrong thing" IS what we do here! (IN between calling each other emotive names and casting aspersions and leaping joyously to the conclusions that suit US & OUR emotional needs.

    Isn't it good? Such a lovely way to get along? 

  • they are being legalised under the left wing socialists though, so again its the socialism part of national socialism that is the problem.

    modern gas chambers include assisted suicide programmes such as dignitas that lefties support, many countries are getting that or a equivalent now and it allows depressed young kids with no problems to use it... 

    also mass abortions too, which are murdering human beings in a faster rate than anything in history, that is good to left wingers and you all want that no?

    life is sacred, and its the left doing everything to discard millions of lives in todays world. its the socialists, and i believe they have always been the issue and everything else has just been a scapegoat.

    hitler once proclaimed he was a socialist and vows to destroy capitalism...