A revelation about getting on with people

Well I am so sorry that one did not please, have you heard the one about the budgie, the old engineer and the *** file? ;c)

(And before anyone rags on me for bad language, that's the correct name for a particularly rough engineering file, and essential to the operation of that particular joke, which does rely on the unexpected payload for it's humour, if you can get past what happens to the poor budgerigar). 

Actually, now I think of it, there are a lot of jokes where a budgie meets his end in a horrible way, what's that all about?

This has been an interesting subthread in a thread entitled "A revelation about getting on with people". 

TBH, I've always done better with cats & engineering than with people.so I guess I'd better go and mate that diode on the end of the optical fibre to the base of the switching transistor in the high voltage generator, so that I can float that HT on the experiment a bit easier and safer. If I go at it reasonably hard, I should get most of it done before the cat people phone... At the moment they are throwing money at fusion research, and we already have one tube of a gas we've recently transmuted via table top fusion...

Much as I would have liked it to be otherwise, I have yet to meet any woman who has appeared in my field who has contributed a single experimental idea, protocol or genuine insight. I've been actively searching for a long time now, and I usually extremely good at finding what I am looking for... For a while Prof Ning Li looked quite promising (at least she knows where the real action is, but as yet no real new science has emerged). Ive seen (as far as I can remeber exactly THREE women weild a screwdriver semi-intelligently, showing an undertsanding of torque and how undesirable it is to let the posidrive bit spin in the head of the screw. We've had equal opportunities for women for decades now, how come whenever I call up to find out why I can't see my DNS server any more, 90/% of the conversations I have are with males, and 1000 % of the solutions are provided by a male? Who is the actual sexist here, me for noticing it, or all those women who decided that there was something about engineering that doesn't really appeal to them, en masse? It sure is not the fault of male engineers discouraging women, I'm the reason I know three women who can use a screwdriver correctly. I taught one of them, otherwise there would only be two.

"ism's" ALWAYS require a double standard to be established and a new victim class to be selected.

Then the oppressive class du-jour commence the serious business of crying out in pain as they strike their new victim class.

Currenlty all around the world RIGHT NOW, a new "untermench" has already been selected. The unvaccinated. They cannot travel, in may cases they are prevented from going to work, in some countries actual concentration camps (A.K.A. "wellness camps") have already been built and revealed to the public apparenlty for when the injections become mandatory, in order to further protect society against the filthy "vaccine" refusers. NONE of this is conspiracy theory or rumour, it is actually happening in the real world, outside, and it's all right by everyone, because after all the majority have "voluntariliy" elected to have these injections (I put the speech marks there, because you've all been openly subjected to a massive government funded behavioural modification campaign, designed to attenuate your freedom of choice in that matter. If it did not work, would they spend the money?)

O.K. Let me see if I as a demonstrated teller of so called "sexist dad" jokes, understand this correctly...

Having a belief that men and women are fundamentally psychologically wired somewhat differently, for reasons involvinig basic biology and chromosomes and react (generally with few exceptions) differently in some situations, is somehow sick thinking now called "sexism" and to be called out whenever it appears?

And the reason given is that it somehow promotes violence against women?

How exactly does that work? I am all for reducing violence particularly that nasty extension of "bullying" that is applied towards all weak people male and female alike, where targets are selected for their vulnerabilty. 

And it is of course equally "sexist" to admit, that I am ashamed that most violence instigated (or offered, sometimes they don't get to follow through, becuase I take corrective action effectvely) against me, has been from men and not women.

I don't often get out of the car with the keys poking though my fingers because there's a shady looking woman hanging about by the cash machine. 

REALITY is "sexist". REALITY is "racist". REALITY is somewhat "genderist" given how sexual reproduction in mammals works. 

I was a victim across many fronts early in my life, how can I not side with those who are oppressed by the careless strong? I can easily get behind the idea that "racism is bad" right up until the moment I leave the house and travel abroad. 

Then after a short period in a place that does not uphold the "white values" that those who labour under the tiitle of "racist" do feel make a society better and safer to live in and would like to make universal, I am unashamedly glad of the racist white old men who convinced that their way was better, formed the society in which I live, where there are RULES, and MORES that have passed the test of time and proven themselves valid.

We are pouring contempt and scorn on the very scientific facts of human biology these days, and trying to pretend that differences do not exist, and hoping that if we pretend long enough those fundamental differences will vanish. 

Is my little genie joke actually disparaging to women? Is the hapless male protagonists who (like my self I will freely admit) struggle more to understand the working of the opposite sexes not the butt of the humour equally? I see a lot of assumptions being made about a joke which could to an unprejudiced and agenda laden mind be simply about the unexpectedness of the genie's change of heart R.E. the world? 

 We often see what we want to see. It very difficult to get another's perspective on things, but we have to try. The worst thing of all I find is that rare occasion when you can clearly see the underlying ignorance and foolishness that underpins someone passionately held beliefs as they and their followers try and jam them tdown your throat, repeately and endlessly. It is really hard to know exactly what to do then, except leave the situation and seek the company of a cat. 

I've just run the joke past my 27 year old avowed feminist daughter, often my most vocal and brutally honest critic. She found it lightly amusing, definitely non-offensive, and confirms as I suspected that my particular brand of "sexism" is in no way accompanied by mistreatment of the women I interact with. That's all the validation I need. Family trumps strangers every time.

I've nothing to apologise for here.

Personally, I don't make that connection, Kiki. But, I don't know. It could be true. I just think it's not remotely funny.

I like clever humour and clever people.  It always disappoints me when someone like I Sperg, with a sharp mind, tells a silly joke in which sexist beliefs (attitudes/norms) are presupposed.l may have a highly developed sense of humour.

It's like those old Carry On Films from the 1070's—grubby men chasing women with large breasts around, trying to grope/sleep with them—or the shows on TV in the 80's, like Benny Hill, a middle-aged man chasing young scantilly dressed females around a field.

I never understood what was so funny about them.  I think sexism not only demeans women, but also demeans men. We are not all perverts, rapists or sexual predators. 

your're 100% right, that is usually next step after those sexist jokes,

So by stopping the cause you prevent the effect

This is a great comment Tassimo and exactly what men need to do to call out sexism from their friends. 

All these women in the news who are getting attacked/ raped/ murdered despite taking all the precautions we can- carrying keys between our fingers, wearing running shoes, telling friends exactly where we're going and when- are not working. The women victims are doing all these things yet still getting assaulted. We can't do any more.

Now it's time for decent men to call out sexist/ demeaning/ misogynist comments and actions by their friends and colleagues, and change the attitude.

Men say 'oh I'm just joking' but that is where it starts- the attitude that women's safety doesn't matter but it's something to joke about. It isn't.

I Sperg said:

The very foundation of humour is absurdity

Actually, the very foundation of humour is surprise. The joke-teller creates assumptions in the mind of the audience by beginning with one 'story', but then pivots with the punchline into an unexpected direction. It is this breaking of assumptions that makes you laugh.

There is  a strand of physical humour that deals with the absurd (slapstick), but you rarely find it in spoken language jokes.

I Sperg said:

I now live in a world where a man can have a cervix and you can field a viable immunisation strategy against a corona virus in a few months

Now this is a great source of humour. The potential for jokes is huge, and it's a lot more interesting than 'Take my wife...' jokes, which were popular in another era when heterosexual men and women were treated as a different species. 

I Sperg said:

I've tested that particular joke extensively in the real world, (and I have a good set of test subjects in my daughter and her mates), and it's done quite well overall so far.

Younger heterosexuals raised in a heteronormative environment would find it either mildly or wildly amusing. And there's no older strategy used to divide and conquer than the age-old male vs women paradigm. 

those in power want it that way and they will keep it that way I'm affraid

the only way is to escape this planet, or dimension, or time it would seem,

Myself I explore an idea of a hive mind. They by nature are able to control many bodies and are able as well to communicate with each other telepatically thus making deceit obsolete

Thanks Mariusz, this just moved from being a bit tedious to really interesting. I've long since suspected that humour is overrated in the world that exists outside of myself. It took me AGES to learn the "rules" of joke telling and humour generally, and it's always dismayed me how often absurd and silly humour which I like, can quickly turn into what looks like a sustained personal attack against a person or group.

Yet in normie world, being able to tell a good joke, that makes people laugh out loud, is a very prized skill!

I have picked up some truly horrible, horrible concepts over the years that were first presented to me in the context of a "joke". It may be that humour and levity generally are very bad things indeed, that lead to holocausts and victimisation. A whole side of my personality may have evolved entirely reduntantly! Personally, I could do without "humour", I like happiness more..

I think the falsity driving this is the oft expressed concept that humour is a way of coping with diverse ideas and situations and making them more palatable and understandable, or the idea that a humourless world would be a "joyless existence".

Clearly, humour is divisive & makes people unhappy! Glad we got that sorted out.

If we can all just rid ouselves of the false ideas, that somehow often seem to get acccepted as immutable truths, there would be a lot more "unity" and less "diversity". By the way, which of those mutually incompatible "ideals" are we actually pursuing today? When you get old you kind of lose track.. It seems very important these days, that we all think alike about the serious issues, which hints at "Unity" being the laudable objective du-jour, (We are the borg, resistance is futile, lower your shields, yoru distinctiveness will eb added to our own, etc, etc.) but the very idea of diversity would suggest that we should accept the murderous left wingers have a perfect right to exist as much as the *** do.

Whereas the presented reality, is currently that anyone who goes near a right wing or "old fashioned" concept (even one of the more sensible and workable ones) is instantly "cancelled", whereas one can spout the most unbelievable and demonstrably unworkable "socialist" ideas, and no one raises an eyebrow!

This double standard exists, and to me whether you have left wing tendancies, right wing tendancies, is totally irrelevant to the bigger question.

Will I be getting dragged off to the camps soon for holding a point of view that was installed in me as a child and that I hold to be sacred, like so many other people throughout history?

Or will humanity wise up and start seeking peace instead of conflict? With all these new "ism's" they keep coming up with, and ever changing rules of conduct, it isn't looking so likely from my perspective...  

I side with Tassimo on this

In my previous job, after I failed to endure for more than a week few of my colleagues and one manager joking around, that was nothing more than insulting each other. I had to lecture them, that vulgar and obscene jokes might be considered funny, but there is a million other ways to make a joke without insulting someone else, or others for their gender/race/etc, while it could be a passing by customer.

The very foundation of humour is absurdity, either contained within the joke itself, or it is designed to evoke absurd behaviour (usually laughter) from the recipient.

As I get older, the world provides me with more and more material to laugh at. It's either laugh or cry, and I'd rather try and be good humoured about things. After all I now live in a world where a man can have a cervix and you can field a viable immunisation strategy against a corona virus in a few months, both of which were absurd concepts when I learned my biology at school.

The thing I'm still struggling to get my head round, is why if there truly are no built in differences between the sexes, as the "enightened people" all know to be true, why does "gayness" exist at all? For gayness to be real and not an artificial construct created by old white men to oppress a bunch of people at random, there would actually have to be some inherent and pervasive differences between the sexes that drives their particular discriminatory tastes... And then it all gets a bit hard to sustain without a set of double standards having to be quickly erected to paper over the cracks in the logic.

I have yet to find a universally funny joke, so any attempt to add a bit of levity I know will fail with a certain percentage of the population. Since we are all currently labouring under a "divide and conquer" strategy being the current preffered use of the mass media, that fail rate can be as great as 50% as we are all very divided in a way that is completely alien to my recollection of living in Britain as a kid. You could leave your front door open in them days, people wuz all honest etc...

I've tested that particular joke extensively in the real world, (and I have a good set of test subjects in my daughter and her mates), and it's done quite well overall so far. People generally find the particular absurdity they resonate with, most of the best ones work on multiple levels, in order to make the most people laugh.   

Humour. It's a serious business!

I Sperg, that's such an old-fashioned, sexist dad joke. I'm surprised at you! It's the kind of dumb, sexist joke a group of simple-minded, heterosexual men throwing beer down their necks would find funny.

How can you say you don't understand someone because they have different genitals from you? Is it all women or just straight women? What about gay women or bisexual women?