Everyone Is On The Autistic Spectrum ~ To Differing Extents And Degrees.


From the 'Daily Mail' for less specialised readers:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3502928/EVERY-one-autistic-spectrum-experience-key-symptoms-just-varying-degrees.html

With 1 one scientifically accredited source, as being from the scientific journal 'Nature' ~ for more specialised readers:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrg.2017.4

With 177 scientifically accredited reference sources.


[Updated with the second source at approximately 18:07 ~ on Friday the 30th March, 2018.]


  • I'd like to grow out of analysing and worrying about every faux pas I make but it seems that the older I get I just seem to get days off from it before it returns with a vengeance! 

    Why are you restricted to living In London though? I know that this is an incredibly naive question in many ways, but can't you leave if that's what you really want?  

  • just thought it was irresponsible of the Daily Mail to print that children grow out of autism

    Yes it is. 

    ...This next is in reply and support to both Endymion and to Song:

    Children may "grow out of Autism" in that given sense, simply by being given unending Support, or Money, or the perfect Job... or by being given any of those,... which results in their no longer encountering Persons who restrict them through regarding them as "Autistic". (e.g. Certain Famous People who have Aspergers, diagnosed yet not always declared).

    I myself might also like to "grow out of" my Autism, but I especially would like to "grow out of" my own Asthma and Eczema among other illnesses... all of which I could genuinelty do quite immediately by living beside the Coast and no longer being restricted to living in London!

  • I used to get told off for saying 

    Life is a sexually transmitted diseases and life is a terminal illness.

  • My goodness! That's a pretty thorough dissection. 

    Some facets of ASD are indeed treatable but not, as far as any research I've read recently indicates, curable. The Daily Mail article was phrased in such a way as to imply that ASD itself is curable. It also used the same reference sources as the other article but only cherry-picked those parts that backed up their attention grabbing headline.  

    I think if I had to wait until death to outgrow something I'd be justified in considering it 'lifelong' as I don't hold out any hope of a life after the one in which I inhabit this body. 

    I'm sorry to hear about your experiences re. seizures, that must have been (and still be, I would imagine!) quite frightening. Research into the side effects of drug treatments on ASD patients is long overdue and it's encouraging to hear that this is being done! More general drug research is heading towards developing drug treatments tailored to the individual instead of the generic way we now prescribe but I don't know if these will become widely available in my lifetime.      

  • You didn't upset me at all, I'm still waiting to grow out of my asthma, migraines and epilepsy as well, 


  • "Risk"?

    Yes Endymion "Risk" of death or suicide:

    Age three ~ woke parents up wanting a drink. I had a very high temperature, was sweating profusely and then started vomiting, and collapsed. This is the last bit I recall. I got driven to the GP practice by father, and as cradled by mother.

    We all got sent home to wait for an emergency ambulance. Things got worse waiting for the ambulance. Parents took me instead by car to the hospital, father driving and mother cradling. The doctors and nurses took me off my parents and sent them home.

    Medication was administered, and being autistic, the side effect caused a seizure with potentially fatal consequences.

    My parents arrived promptly for visiting hours the next day.

    The prognosis was brain damage - how bad would be determined If I came back around from the coma, and mother and father were sent back home.

    The next day they were sent back home again. 

    The next day or the next one after that, I woke up to an absolutely and utterly heinous body migraine, amidst the central and peripheral nervous systems doing an all consuming pins and needles inferno, with all my organs, bones, fascai, tendons muscles and skin uncramping in achingly painful and agonisingly grating ways.

    I have attempted suicide loads, as this sort of thing has been going on and on and on and on at least several times daily or several times weekly ever since. 

    Consider.


    Adverse Drug/Supp Reactions | Autism Research Institute

      Dr. Bernard Rimland, the founder of [the] ARI [Autistic Research Institute], would be enormously gratified that more and more parents are learning that "Autism is Treatable." However, not all treatments are created equal; most commonly prescribed drugs have side effects that range from minor to severe to potentially fatal.

      https://www.autism.com/pro_adversereactions


      They make it sound like a disease!

      They actually describe treating the complications involved with having ASD, and what comes along with them as further complications, such as for one involves chronic insomnia as sleep is impossible after bouts of Psychogenic Non-Epileptic seizures.

      Consider perhaps:


      Psychogenic nonepileptic seizures as a manifestation of psychological seizures as a manifestation of psychological distress associated with autistic spectrum disorder

      Abstract

      Psychogenic nonepileptic seizures (PNES) are observable changes in behavior or consciousness that are similar to epileptic seizures but are not associated with electrophysiologic changes. PNES occur in children with underlying psychological distress and are especially frequent in those with epilepsy. Because PNES are heterogeneous, comprehensive treatment tailored to each patient is required to reduce psychosocial stress. Currently, reports regarding children with PNES concomitant with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) do not exist, and effective treatment strategies for these children are lacking. In this case report, we describe a 10-year-old Japanese girl with undiagnosed ASD who developed PNES while undergoing treatment for benign childhood epilepsy with centrotemporal spikes. She exhibited hypersensitivity to sound and interpersonal conflicts caused by social communication deficits. The PNES symptoms improved shortly after our intervention, which was designed to reduce her distress caused by auditory hypersensitivity and impaired social communication, both characteristics of ASD. To the best of our knowledge, this is the first report describing PNES in a child with ASD. Our findings suggest that PNES can result from psychological distress in children with undiagnosed ASD and highlight the importance of examining ASD traits in patients with PNES.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4723019/


      Did anyone read the comments? Bleurgh!!!!

      No, I did a glance at the reference materials, instead ~ listed above from the source material.


      What's the point in trying to reason with that kind of junk? According to the Daily Fail we're all going to grow out of autism anyway.  

      Well in one sense we do grow out of these bodies, eventually :-)


    1. Oh! Sorry, I was being facetious. I didn't mean to upset anyone and apologise if I did. I just thought it was irresponsible of the Daily Mail to print that children grow out of autism when there are so many parents out there who might want to believe it.  

    2. I never read Daily Mail comments anymore! It's all knee jerk reactionaries. If I ate my chips out of a Daily Mail my IQ would probably drop 100 points.

    3. "Risk"? They make it sound like a disease! Did anyone read the comments? Bleurgh!!!!

      What's the point in trying to reason with that kind of junk? According to the Daily Fail we're all going to grow out of autism anyway.  

    4. The Daily Mail had a headline once "How a romantic candle-lit meal can give you cancer". Need I say more?

      Great contrast in sources BTW! It's like comparing rats piss to Premiere Voyage!Thumbsup

    5. Omg, I am cracking up with this. I read a spoof Heil heading that there may be a link between getting Aids and voting Labour, so everyone will have to vote Tory if they don't want to get Aids. My family used to read that. Aaaaargh!!!!

    6. I wish they wouldn't tout it as a "genetic risk" on the same lines as the gene for cancer or Huntingtons. Those are both very negative conditions and cannot be positive, whereas there are very positive things that could come out of being on the spectrum. Also, the claim about "disturbed" biological processes in children puts a very negative slant on it. Certainly, the biological processes in the brain of a child on the autistic spectrum are different from those in other brains, but it would be a very different news report if 99%, instead of 1%, of humans were on the spectrum.

    7. Every time Daily Mail says something about any research just remember this.

    8. I don't know. That is the view of someone I have been in a relationship for a while, but then he knew it really upset me when the subject came up in the 90's. It is only a problem when all of these things are enough of an issue to make it difficult to deal with life. I haven't yet looked at what the Daily Heil, as one net buddy elsewhere has christened it, yet.

      I don't think I am disabled now. There are situations I do find difficult and I am ashamed of how I deal with it - or don't. These could be significantly long flight delays with no information about when this will be resolved. Most recently the metro was not working and as this was the rush hour home, everyone was piling onto all the buses and trains. The taxis were extortionate, I was chilled to the bone and hungry and knew there would be no time to eat before my next student. When I saw what the bus was like I had a meltdown - I can't crowds. On the next bus, little better, a bad-tempered older woman had a go at me and told me to calm down as other people were having to deal with it too. I told her thanx a bunch.

      I loathe office politics and finding things to chat about and anyway this is not my home country. The attitude of many people is to assume I can't speak the language beyond beginner level, but that may well be injured ego, as I was supposed to be linguistically gifted once speech delays just after toddlerhood got resolved.

      But overall, no I could not honestly class myself as disabled. I could not have borne it if I had really thought I was truly unemployable due to my childhood illness, and feel much happier now I know that is not the case. I grew up with all this horrible doubt and lack of faith, which in many ways was worse than whatever afflicted me as a child itself.  I have had health problems in the last few years due to allergies with house mites and ragweed. So now there is constant inflammation and sometimes asthma, but then anybody maybe could get that.

    9. Daily mail again seeing a bit of research coming to a conclusion.

      Just because someone reads reads the daily mail everyday, a compulsive habit for some, doesn't put them on the autistic spectrum. Just because someone can't read newsprint at 10 feet does not put them on the blind spectrum.

      One or two difficulties at times here and there does not an autistic make, someone autistic has real profound difficulties in different areas. While people keep thinking 'everyone is on the autistic spectrum ' people won't understand about autism.

      We have a long way to go.