Deepthought said:Milton does not suggest that non-autistic people are less capable of developing an understanding of autism than vice versa; as he points out, it is simply that autistic people have no choice but to try to develop an understanding of society if they are to ‘survive and potentially thrive’ whereas no such imperative applies in the opposite direction (Milton 2012).
The thing that makes me smile here, is Milton's and other's hypothesis that there is no imperative for non-autistic people to use an Autistic Theory-of-Mind (or AToM) ~ with my amusement arising from the fact that non-autistic and autistic parents have been having and raising autistic children for thousands of years now, and the use of an AToM or a Divergent Theory of Mind (DToM) has remained historically concurrent in all cultures and societies, therefore.
Also, societal ToM models that involve 'surviving and potentially thriving' ideologies featuring 'imperatives' are proving currently to be more and more unreliable, whereas when we live as we actually are ~ we thereby facilitate our life as it actually is in the dependable and reliable sense.
Don’t you find it a very blunt instrument of judgement though?
ElephantintheRoom said:Don’t you find it a very blunt instrument of judgement though?
If judgement is employed the blunt instrument factor can very much become the case, yes. How do you imagine its application to be like a blunt instrument in the above respect?
Does it register with you.. ?... the underlined bit?
It does register,,,,maybe to much for my own sanity,
I have struggled and fought to exhist ,To do this I have learnt to interact as it is needed,I can if I try hard look people in the eye and my life involves social interaction or become excluded. These have been necessary to continue existing.
I empathise to the point it overwhelms me and causes me much turmoil and pain.
The intensity can cause me physical pain as well as mental confusion.
I can however flick the switch in my mind! I can be so very low and at it’s lowest I can flick the switch and wake up,,,,I feel as if I am looking down at myself and wondering why their is such suffering, it then starts to fade as I reason with the causes and I feel it must cease in order to continue my own exhistance.
I apologise for sounding so down but my empathy is overwhelming at times and I thought it might add to this discussion.
I do not pretend to fully understand my mind or feelings, I try to reason with why I feel so intensely.
I am a product of many things and cannot control the intensity or when they will take effect.
ElephantintheRoom said:Does it register with you.. ?... the underlined bit?
Register it does, yes. And recalling the following:
Deepthought said:Autistic people are more self-centric (internally centred) and their genetic and linguistic architectures are more functionally specialised, and concretely receptive.
In terms of a person with autism being then Self-centric, or internally centred, the Self is our conscious vitality, and the internal centring of which makes the linguistic and genetic architectures of our sensibilities more externally vitalised, and sensitised.
Hyper-sensitivity and also hypo-sensitivity issues are not uncommon in ASD.
Do you sleep DeepThought?
and so myself and the argument also rotates on its own centred axis! Lol
Sleep? Getting dictionary out, and ruffling through pages . . .
'Well' not as deeply nor as often as I would like to ~ what with the old bucket of wakefulness and the not so novel insomniac wall of death together getting on occasion 'well' boring, although ~ they do bring up some archaeological curios from the subconscious and unconscious depths of the burgeoning deep.
Basically I refer to myself as being a 'night-shifter' or 'night-owl' ~ as I am hyper-sensitive to light and have synaesthesia which makes sunlight rather loud, and the lazy or weak sunshine of the early morning allows me to sleep, doze or at least rest until mid afternoon sometimes.
The why the otherwise enabled are essential to the human ecosystem article was a bit of existential elixir ~ with a particular choosey bit for me being:
Each civilization also defines its own forms of giftedness. In ancient cultures that depended upon religious rituals for social cohesion, it might have been the schizophrenics (who heard the voices of the gods) or the obsessive compulsives (who carried out the precise rituals) who were the gifted ones. Even in today’s world, being in the right place at the right time seems to be critical in terms of defining whether you will be regarded as gifted or disabled.
This struck all my cords what with the metaphysical, philosophical and theosophical territories being my first major footings in terms of finding about my experiences as an Aspergian Schizotype.
And from the different presentation of Asperger's syndrome in girls:
Girls language typically develops in sophistication and abstraction earlier than that of their male classmates. This, combined with different physiological and emotional development, and transition to secondary school, frequently causes the time of puberty to distinguish girls on the spectrum, who had previously seemed to blend in through their use of echopraxic behaviours. That is, girls with AS will very often carefully watch other girls, to learn how they are expected to behave, and therefore can for several years seem to be fitting in socially. For example, an autistic autobiographer has written that: I watched people like a scientist watches an experiment (Holliday Willey, 1999, p.42).
This struck all my more numerous feminine chords (F7/M4), as the sociological and psychological territories were my second major footing on account of which.
Also from the feminine approach to recognising Asperger's Syndrome, try perhaps if you have not done so before:
I shall read the article with interest and report back......I am pleased you found the article on societal perception of gifted and disabled enlightening....and your reflections on sleep.
i concur with you in that societal cohesion is a restraint that can can be too narrowly framed and can the negate the positive and enlightening contributions that everyone can offer
i am glad you are looking after the night shift.
So....the checklist is very comprehensive...I shall print numerous copies and give it to my Christmas visitors...I am self diagnosed as ....? ...... but this makes a lot of sense....
now...here is a question.....write me a NT checklist! Lol
ElephantintheRoom said:now...here is a question.....write me a NT checklist! Lol
I have actually seen quite a few in my time, but as a summary:
Neurotypical syndrome is a neurobiological disorder characterized by preoccupation with social concerns, delusions of superiority, and obsession with conformity. There is no known cure. (Laura Tisoncik 1998)
ElephantintheRoom said:So....the checklist is very comprehensive
Yup, it certainly is that.
ElephantintheRoom said:...I shall print numerous copies and give it to my Christmas visitors...
If you or your Christmas visitors would like the softer and friendlier looking print version, with pictures and introduction too:
ElephantintheRoom said:I am self diagnosed as ....?
As an Elephant in the room ~ surely? ;-)
ElephantintheRoom said:.... but this makes a lot of sense....
Pretty much a clarification guaranteed affair, really.