CEASE therapy or homeopathy, any luck?

Apparently I'm not allowed to post any 'unsubstantiated claims' such as "I can show you my results with over 300 children" (with testimonials, letters from paediatricians & other specialists, test results showing decreases in toxic loads i.e mercury, aluminium, lead etc, ATEC scores dropping month-on-month). It seems bizarre that homeopathy detractors can make any sort of wild claim here without the need to back it up, but apparently I'm not even allowed to talk about results I have seen with my own eyes!

I'm fed up to the back teeth with this idea that autism can't be treated & that no-one knows the cause. I'm telling you it CAN be treated & the cause is almost always TOXICITY. I'm treating a child right now whose mum was taking methadone for heroin addiction throughout her pregancy. (tell me that can't have some detrimental effect on a developing foetus)

Either I'm a liar, my patients & I are in some sort of collective delusion, or there is something very interesting going on here. I urge those of you with open (yet critical) minds to examine this stuff. 

The only effect Homeopathy will have is make your wallet, purse, bank balance, or building society balance a lot lighter of hard cash!  It will also leave you with a possible credit card bill.

But from an evidence-based medical point of view, it will do absolutely nothing!  

Homeopathy is merely a modern-day equivalent of the snakeoil salesman of the 1800s American West.  It has no evidence-based, peer-reviewed, scienfic data to support its claims.  

Save your money!  

terrorhawk said:

People talk of the placebo effect, this cannot apply to babies as thousands of mothers all over the world use homeopathic teething powders to comfort their children, and it works!  I don't care how it works, I only care that it does!

Why not? It seems to me that a mothers care and concern functions as a wonderful placebo. What mother hasnt kissed better a skinned knee?

Hello Terrorhawk

I'd be interested to know how you got on with the CEASE therapy 

Alan 

I'm the autistic daughter of an autistic father. I've not had the MMR and my father never had one vaccine in his life. I have trouble seeing how homeopathically treating the effect of a vaccine could 'cure' autism as there are clearly many autistic people who have never had a vaccine and thus vaccines can surely not cause autism.

I am not against homeopathy and have used it with effect to treat many health conditions. I don't consider autism to be a health condition. To quote Lady Gaga, Baby I was born this way.

Also it would be helpful if NAS could look into homeopathy qualifications and post some guidelines. There are genuine, fully accredited homeopathy degrees out there, but it is very complex.

In America you have to do a medical degree first and a homeopathy degree on top, so people will have two degrees after their names.

In the UK I cannot really find out what is the official line, which makes me wonder if there isn't one. There is a College for Homeopathic Education in London which uses several universities to provide the training and is possibly accedited by one of them.

But some courses here are accredited by American universities, which isn't quite the same thing, especially as in America they require a primary medical degree.

I keep seeing Honours LCHE degrees - but I cannot find out what they are. If they are Licentiates of the College of Homeopathic Education they shouldn't be Honours qualifications.

This is important if people are making ridiculous assertions like Mr Freestone's website:- "I simply don't accept that autism has to be a lifelong condition".

Statements like that would undermine the credibility of a good university - bringing it into disrepute - which can lead to a degree being withdrawn. So either the university accrediting such degrees doesn't care, or this isn't a proper accreditation.

I would hope that institutions awarding qualifications in homeopathy have a care that their graduates carry their qualification with pride, and don't bring it into disrepute.

A matter of grave concern that the makers of such claims won't lie down - we really need tougher legislation, and unfortunately the Government has rather diminished the powers of Trading Standards.

Did the poster AlanFreestone give up trying when warned off by the Mods? I got a "new comment" posting yesterday, and was puzzled that I couldn't find it, but it had clearly been intercepted by the Moderator pretty sharpish.

It was tagged onto a thread in June last year that I'd contributed to, under Parents and Carers - "Enzymes?CEASE therapy anyone?"

And finding that must have taken some doing as I find trouble searching the pages back more than a couple of months because then it jumps back to more than a year ago, and won't let me into the gap between. But they, like myself, probably used the "search the community" box.

It was from AlanFreestone's partner Anna Rayner, a similar offer to talk on Skype, but the only thing otherwise I would quote from it, regarding ASD, is:

"I don't at all accept it as either genetic or incurable"

Why haven't we any legislation to stop this sort of thing?

Hi guys

Thanks for your replies and input.

Alex-agree, alot of the theory does not make sense but so far as I'm concerned, we live in an illogical world full of things that we cannot explain with science.  Quite frankly, if something is going to help or maybe even "cure" my child, I don't care if it's made from the magic of a unicorn's horn-I'm going to try it, especially if it's not harmful!  

People talk of the placebo effect, this cannot apply to babies as thousands of mothers all over the world use homeopathic teething powders to comfort their children, and it works!  I don't care how it works, I only care that it does!

I have no interest in promoting homeopathy or CEASE.  I'm just a mother looking to help relieve some of the problems my child has and help her have a better quality of life. Years ago her teachers said she would never read or write, she is now in mainstream school writing poems about fireworks and getting headteachers awards in assembly!  

I had a consultation with a CEASE therapist yesterday and we're going to try this protocol.  Will keep you all posted on the progress made.

Intenseworld-gotta agree with keeping an open mind.  Autism has so many unknowns involved in it's cause and the NHS has washed it's hands of families like ours in terms of finding a cause and help with resources.  What choice do we have left but to look at alternative therapies?!

Although you say it's a great deal of money, a very quick search on Google scholar reveals these...

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1475491603000043

One hundred patients were included in the study. Average cost savings per patient was £60.40. The majority of patients had improved and most did not report any side-effects.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s002280050716

Conclusions: There is some evidence that homeopathic treatments are more effective than placebo; however, the strength of this evidence is low because of the low methodological quality of the trials. Studies of high methodological quality were more likely to be negative than the lower quality studies. Further high quality studies are needed to confirm these results.

http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=716100

Homeopathy deserves an open-minded opportunity to demonstrate its value by using evidence-based principles, but it should not be substituted for proven therapies.

I don't mean to carp, but are you aware that there has never been a single peer-reviewed study confiming the effectiveness of any homeopathic treatment whatever? Or that many homeopathic remedies are so dilute that one dose does not contain a single molecule of the alleged active ingredient? Or that no credible mechanism of operation has ever been advanced for how homeopathy works?

I'd advise extreme caution. It's possible to spend a great deal of money on products that are indistinguishable from chalk or water.

Alex R (posting personally)

Hi Terrorhawk

I'm pleased to hear you've had success with the homeopathic teething powders & the kit, they are fantastic things to have around the house.

I'm a homeopath specialising in treating Austistic symptoms. I use both classical homeopathy & CEASE, so I thought I might be able to offer an informed opinion.

CEASE uses a form of homeopathy called 'isopathy'...it is giving a tiny amount of the substance that we suspect CAUSED a problem for someone's health back to them to elicit a healing response. For example I had a patient some months ago who I suspected of regressing after his MMR vaccination (he instantly lost speech & eye-contact, & other issues developed). I gave him a homeopathic remedy made from the MMR vaccine (but diluted many times until no trace of the toxic igredients remained). Shortly after his mum gave him his first pill she contacted me in distress: that evening when she was bathing him he threw a fever & what looked like a measles rash! This is a common type of response: if there is a problem with a substance, giving the homeopathic remedy made from it will typically result in some sort of detox (loose stools, increased sweating/urination/salivation, cold/flu, sleeping longer than usual), followed by an improvement in whatever symptoms that substance had been causing.

I like this method of homeopathy because you can use these remedies as both a diagnostic tool & as medicine. If someone has no problem with a substance (like the MMR vaccine for example), then giving them a homeopathic remedy made from that substance will do....nothing at all.

I'd suggest that you would get more effective results if you go along to someone experienced in using these methods, however you'd certainly not do any damage following the methods yourself. Here's a great book on the subject: www.amazon.co.uk/.../ref=sr_1_1

Typically I use classical homeopathy alongside these remedies & the two methods compliment each other well.

If you want to chat to me over Skype more about this, just drop me a line.

Hopefully that's been on some help

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