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Morality Issue

I have huge problems taking holiday, and previously only travelled to see my mother who I didn't get on with and it was always very traumatic.  I stopped visiting her years ago and have a rue that l my holidays had to be productive and learning to justify the amount of anxiety preparing for them brings out. So it's been Thai boxing camp and Berlin as I was learning German. I haven't been away for almost 8 years.  This was all before I even though I might be aspie.  Just the preparing, arranging a sitter for my cats, getting to the airport on time and not missing the flight makes me tense and the whole thing not worth it.

I purchased tickets to see Rammstein in Berlin on Saturday.  I bought the tickets last year as I really like their music and I haven't been away for a very long time and I though I would treat myself to a nice ticket and a trip as I though since I've been learning for a while and been hyperfixated on the band plus I could practice my German would be a good way to start again. Now, if you've read anything about Rammstein you'll know what a disaster this has turned out to be! The sex offence charges against the lead singer, the protest plant for this weekend in Berlin etc. I haven't been able to do much for the last week.  I'm really conflicted but because reading all the facts it looks like the singer is guilty as charged.  But my ticket was really expensive, and I worked so hard preparing everything and then there's the ticket price and obviously part of me feels duty bound to get this done.  I can't help it! I don't know how to feel about any of this but I'm feeling increasingly, dangerously, upset.  I have people telling me I shouldn't go, people telling me I should go.  I'm still doing the flight part but I haven't thought past that point. It's weird, but it doesn't feel like it's moral decision. Maybe because I was more into the music than the individuals? Maybe I'm horrible and selfish, and a bad person who only cares about her tasks. Why am I still going?  Why do I still want to?  Just thinking about this is making me want to just run somewhere else and hide and never come back (even though I can't. cats.) I Don't see the band as people maybe, just sounds?  I'm not sure.

I think I jut need a place to get this off my chest. I don't expect to hear nice things. or anything at all. Seeing bands live was the only place Ii felt I could relax.  Weird isn't it.  I can't do parties or dinners. But just drowning in a sea of people anonymously listing to music you like makes me relax. Not sue I can do that again though as people will always just be people. 

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  • I'd like to remind a few people here about the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" which some time ago replaced "trial by mob".

    Setting aside the O/P's questionable taste in music (that's an attempt to lighten the mood) which my G/F shares, I'd do the trip, enjoy the music and wait for a verdict... 

    The good news, is that I've found when I've realised that a particular activity that I found rewarding was morally bankrupt, there's always an alternative appears..

     And kudos for caring about your cats to the extent you feel they anchor you, as well as having actual moral concerns.

  • Innocent until proven guilty is indeed the maxim, however it appears to have been an open secret in the industry for years. Interesting article in the Guardian on it if you're interested:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/15/rammstein-sexual-assault-allegations-till-lindemann-berlin-investigated

    I'm glad that it's being investigated by the police in Germany, but it's an all too familiar stance from the authorities in Vilnius. Not a concert, but I've been drugged in a bar, ended up in hospital thanks to my friend knowing that something was wrong rather than leaving me with the guy I was talking to, and the police did nothing. Said it was alcohol when I'd only had one drink, and didn't investigate. From friends' experiences the same frequently happens when it's sexual assault. So forgive me for having a personal opinion on this, it hits too closely.

  • Yeah it’s inexcusable laziness not to give you blood tests and get the CCTV from the bar if there  was any. Still might have gone nowhere but they ought to do the basics at least.

  • It's ironic but statistically your child is far safer hanging out with a dodgy looking guy in a trench coat than their uncle / aunt.

  • what fcuking 'narrative'  i gave ONE EXAMPLE ..... ONE EXAMPLE ... ffs.    that you went off because you have a desire to cover up the crimes of one racial group is where we went off the rails. 

    That is completely unnecessary.

    At no point did  evidence any desire of that sort, and why swear?

    You just have a viewpoint, it's not a fact, it's a viewpoint, so it would be appreciated if you could occasionally realise that and not personally attack others (as you have me before) because someone challenges you.

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  • what fcuking 'narrative'  i gave ONE EXAMPLE ..... ONE EXAMPLE ... ffs.    that you went off because you have a desire to cover up the crimes of one racial group is where we went off the rails. 

    That is completely unnecessary.

    At no point did  evidence any desire of that sort, and why swear?

    You just have a viewpoint, it's not a fact, it's a viewpoint, so it would be appreciated if you could occasionally realise that and not personally attack others (as you have me before) because someone challenges you.

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