Do You Think Everyone Is Autistic?

I'm having a bit of difficulty getting my GP to refer me to the local "Adult Asperger's" service so I've had to analyse my masking process quite carefully so I can explain how apparent PNT behaviours are generated by non PNT processes. 

It seems that with training and experience people with ASC can present with better social skills than many PNT but the ASC person is very vulnerable should the situation progress beyond that individuals comfort zone and may easily lead to some form of dysregulation.

I don't use my ability to innocently say outrageous things or my inability to pick up social cues to define my ASC, what defines my ASC is my general and acute levels of dysregulation and the triggers that drive them.

So here I am about to press delete because I know saying "PNT people don't dysregulate" is far too simplistic and my masking process throwing on the brakes so I don't get into an argument or seem really horrible in my first post. 

You sound very knowledgeable. It's just dismissive when people say things like that. I tell people,

"Yes, it's not abnormal to have some of these traits (ASD & AD/HD-2 neurodevelopmentals), however, the BIGGEST difference, is that NT are wired differently & although, I'm sure you don't mean to be offensive, comments like this hurt those whose struggles are both invisible/visible bc they don't just have 'traits' of autism, it deeply impacts their lives & functioning. It's kind of like saying, people have low blood sugar at times--so everyone's a little diabetes. Let's be real, it's either someone being rude, ignorant or doesn't want to look at themselves.

Also, I'm surprised to hear this with autism--I usually hear it with AD/HD. You're the 2nd person this week that's posted about it. I'm sorry you're having to experience this. Maybe that person is in denial, bc the person who said it to me-presented 100% AD/HD. I'm noticing how threatened people are by those in tune/aware of their mental health. SAD.

You might want to educate yourself more, so you can avoid 'sensitives' such as these by downplaying autism--you need to banish some of the myths and false narratives. It's not your fault, you just need more education."

In reality, I'd say all this in my head--unless I got really mad. It's just so dismissive, I'd think--is a person like this worth my breath? They won't listen anyway. I base it on their personality.

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I would take issue with your use of 'supposed' and 'should', it sounds like a form of external planning, when mutation is in essence random. If two or more people came to exist with exactly the same genetics as each other, no natural law would have been broken.

Identical twins are so heavily used in genetic research precisely because their genetics are essentially the same, as they are the products of the same egg and spermatozoon fertilisation event. Identical twins are naturally occurring clones. The difference at the level of DNA sequence between identical twins is very, very small and any differences will be mostly in non-coding regions. The differences between identical twins are very largely, though not exclusively, the result of epigenetic factors, such as differential DNA methylation, leading to differences in gene expression. Variation in gene expression can have noticeable effects on phenotype. Phenotypic differences could include one twin being slightly taller than the other, or one being autistic while the other is not. 

Autism is definitely multifactorial, at the level of gene allele variation, differential gene expression and environmental factors. The latter two often being causally linked.

Martin,

Identical twins don't have identical genetic information, they are some genes that are supposed to differ in every human being, that it should not be the same in everyone. 

Autism is primarily genetic with more than strong suspicion that environmental factors are involved. The gene that's involved with the development of autism is created out of a combination of other genes, it's not a primary gene.

As at The Human Genome Project science writer Matt Ridley pointed out it was founded upon a fallacy, that there is no such thing as "the human genome". He pointed out that no one can say blood group A is normal and B, AB and O are abnormal. When the human genome project tried to get the average they would miss the ABO Gene saying variation is an integral part of the human, and any other genome that the genes should not be the same.

If autism were purely genetic in origin then all identical twins should be either both neurotypical or both autistic. However, identical twins where just one is autistic occur. This could be the effect of epigenetic differences, where slight differences in the environment of each foetus or new-born can cause variation in gene expression. It is known that problems during pregnancy and/or delivery can be associated with autism. 

I suspect that there is a genetic predisposition for autism and that in some cases the genetics are such that the individual will be autistic whatever the environment, but for others, environmental influences are the deciding factor in whether the predisposition is converted into actual autism.

It is, I think, somewhat like myopia (short-sightedness), some people become short-sighted in infancy, but in others it tends to only develop around the age of 10 or 11, and only if they have a history of doing a great deal of reading or other close-work. Children who have the pre-disposition to develop myopia, but who do not do a lot of close-work in the susceptible age range, will not develop the condition. By this analogy, I do not mean that autistic people can become so at 10 years old. The timescale for environmental triggers contributing to autism development is most likely in utero, or peri-natal.

There are a combination of genetic factors that produce the end diagnose , It only merges as we don't understand the workings.  Like a key in a lock, there are some keys that are similar but still don't work . Yes it is complicated and there are similair changes that don't produce autism , But i think it is lack of the full genetic understanding that produces this view.. Otherwise if it is not genetic ,you are saying it is learned behaviour or caused by environment ,that it is the parents or society that causes autism .  Blaming the parents has been largely discredited ,but there could be  evolution or society [perhaps through chemical exposure ]  at play ,but still there would have to be a genetic part to this . 

Just like so much behaviour of autistic people is described as weird, the same can be said about anyone's behaviour since weird is just an opinion.

They provide therapies for so many behaviours when they perform those same behaviours, so if we require therapy for behaviours so do NTs. 

Claiming truth is so important and hiding the truth at the same time is hypocrisy, but that seems to be part of their sense of social communication.

NTs have the tendency to avoid people with perceived differences who they don't understand instead of learn to understand them, fear.

NTs tend to be wasteful with money more concerned about staying in fashion, what other people think about their appearance, they will spend as much as £60 on one shirt that they're hardly ever going to wear.

Just like so much behaviour by autistic people is criticized, the behaviour of NTs can be criticized equally.

Yes I agree 

The differences in brain structure, like many things in biology, are over a continuum. The genetic basis, and genetics is not the only factor, of autism is complex; it isn't an 'all or nothing' phenomenon like some genetically caused 'syndromes'. The model of an autistic brain type versus an allistic braintype is faulty inasmuch as the two clinally merge, though intermediate forms. 

yeh but other parts of my brain are enhanced/different  , which i think just does show how you are autistic or not , there is a physically / structural difference . So no everyone is not a little bit autistic . 

you can have frontal lobe brain damage which probably would seem like asd due to the frontal lobe being the social interaction part of the brain or whatever

Can you have a little bit of a different brain structure ,or have a little bit of a different gene ? . I think there are varying types of autism but the boring majority are NT's

dunno, these days anythings possible with gender politics, you could be a mr if you want, you could be a fox too or a alien. such is the crazy ways of modern day marxist society.

See? You're doing it again. Thinking you know exactly what someone else is thinking, feeling or experiencing. You don't. End of. That's not arrogance, that's fact. Unless you're the world's only true psychic, you do not know what another person feels or thinks. Even if they actually tell you, you don't know it's true. And no, you were very insistent that you one what others thought and that they were lying, basically. There was no 'flip'. As for misunderstanding you,  I did stipulate,  "And IF you're saying", because no, ididn't understand you fully, you're words made little sense. But obviously that makes me a fraud for staying I was a martial arts instructor, because you don't explain yourself clearly and I didn't understand you. OK, whatever. I don't really care, I know my life and my achievements, and I'm happy with them. If you wish to disbelieve them, go ahead. As I said, chip on the shoulder. 

Oh, and it's 'Ms' Good 'Two' Shoes, if you've read my other message re: pain. There's only one way I'd know about the pain of childbirth AND of being punched in the face, first hand. And it's not by being a Mr!

how ?

Neurotypical can be treated just as much as anything else, things like hypocrisy they tend to live with naturally, like claiming truth is so important while hiding the truth and telling white lies at the same time.

fair enough, but may i suggest your also arrogant too as you see things in black nd white, right or wrong, and your side is always "right"? lol ... where as if you read any of my comments my comments are very open to flipping, and doesnt pick a side but rather stays in limbo with the ability to both self critique or discard my own opinions.

perhaps arrogance is a human trait then if we both seemingly have it. but is your arrogance so strong that it blinds you to this realisation? ....edit: theres no perhaps about this, it is a human trait just like many other things youd decline in yourself due to your black and white view of things and pretending your the goody too shoes, which astonishingly is another massive example of your arrogance mr goody too shoes lol i used to think just like you... when i was fucking 12 years old.... always thinking i was a island of morality surrounded by a sea of evil.... you havent grown out of that yet i see?

edit: and you didnt read or comprehend my words good enough it seems.... the trait in which i said is good for a instructor is the expectancy of people to better themselves.... if you dont think thats what martial arts is about then im sorry to say you took up bullshido. martial arts is all about self betterment and the expectancy to be better, if you dont understand that then you didnt do shaolin at all.... even frauds understand the basic concept of self betterment through martial arts.... so thats a big oof if you didnt get that down, as even the famous fraud jake mace has that down lol

No, it's definitely arrogance to assume that you know other people better than they do, or that you know exactly how other people are feeling and to what extent. It's also arrogance to assume you know whether someone is ambitious or not, without actually knowing a thing about them. You've read a few POF profiles and think you can analyse them. That is arrogance. You do the same with any topic. You decide how things are and that's that. No proof, no data, no facts, just the chip on your shoulder.  And if you're saying that a martial arts instructor needs to be arrogant, which is what you seem to be saying, you're completely wrong they're too! Until I developed a chronic illness I taught Shaolin Gung Fu. There's no room for arrogance in martial arts. Non at all. 

ah yes i tend to ramble and sway too much from the topic, my bringing up ambition was a example of how people misuse words and mislabel themselves as things they are not. which was my way of shooting down the NTs thinking they are like 60% introvert thing, they may think they are that but they are not, much like on pof everyone thinks they are ambitious, but they are not. they merely misuse the word, or perhaps desire to be so but are not.