Mishear & Misread

Does anyone else suffer from my problems?

Where I mishear or misread something.

The latest incident is a BBC website  article, where I initially read.

Call to exclude pupils with ASD.

It actually read.

Call to test excluded pupils for ADHD.

Very different!

I often watch DVDs with subtitles.  And when I'm unsure of what was said or written I rewind and listen/read again.  And the second time round it's different.

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  • I misunderstand stuff all the time because I see the world so differently and I’ve understood enough of how a lot of people see the world to not bother to try and understand what they’re saying most of the time and my interpretation is usually much more fun so I prefer to stick with that, unless it’s important for me (or them) to understand and then I’ll put in the effort, otherwise it’s just me, myself and I in my little world Laughing

  • I see the world so differently and I’ve understood enough of how a lot of people see the world to not bother to try and understand what they’re saying most of the time and my interpretation is usually much more fun

    Well, there you go, BlueRay.  Exactly.  You see the world so differently.  The corollary being, other people see the world so differently to you.  And if you can't be bothered to try to understand what they're saying, and prefer to interpret things in a way that is more fun for you, then that's probably why you don't get other people's viewpoints. 

  • Of course they do, we ALL do and I don’t have to try to understand people, I generally do, and unless we’re in a conversation of some kind, I don’t waste my time thinking about how other people see the world, I just accept them as I find them and get on with living. And I’ve rarely, if ever, failed to understand another person’s point of view because I don’t stop until I do understand it. That’s how I live, I keep going ‘until’ ~ so if I’m in a situation that requires me to understand another person’s point of view, in work say with a client, then I don’t stop ‘until’ I do understand it, it’s as simple as that really. 

  • This is one of the smartest posts I've ever read. To be fair, there are people who teach cognitive linguistics to young college students - and they arrive at this wisdom "artificially" in the same sense that other users might come across your words and find them to be true without the lengthy introspective process  that people normally take to arrive at these conclusions (assuming, of course, that they have sufficient introspective power, and also the humility required to admit to at least themselves how little they actually know, and how much of their reasoning is based on association of statements to given authorities / canonical texts.  Einstein famously said "To punish me for my contempt of authority, Fate has made me an authority myself." He also refused to label himself as a genius, reserving that label for Emmy Noether. Instead, he said he was merely hard working.  The reason he succeeded in overturning Newton when other ostensibly smarter people hadn't - that was because he wasn't afraid of admitting he didn't understand the way things worked. There were contradictions that the Michaelson & Morley (sp) experiments introduced that didn't fit with the concept of rigid bodies at the time, as well. 

    When he tried to escape from the *** in 1933, he was denied entry to the USA by our own version of the *** (J Edgar Hoover), who had learned that Hitler had just put a bounty on his head.  When he finally managed to get in, Einstein championed the rights of the poor and also people of color. He was a democratic socialist, after all.   So  In a famous 1946 commencement address at Lincoln University, a historically black college in Pennsylvania, Einstein said that segregation was “not a disease of colored people. It is a disease of white people. I do not intend to be quiet about it.”  He and MLK Jr both had the ability to hear other people out, and recognize that truth itself may seem absolute- but it is a murky, undefinable thing when you get closer to it, and does not "prefer any reference frame".  Everybody is the center of their own universe.

  • No. I’m saying, for somebody to live in poverty, they must first of all believe that poverty even exists. They must ‘believe’ that poverty is an actual ‘thing’. For example, they must think it is so real, that it could actually happen to them one day. And from what they’ve heard and read about it, it’s a terrible thing. It would be like you would have the belief that you could actually end up as being one of these things one day. You could end up being a poor person. You could actually find yourself living in poverty, it’s so real. 

    But how would you know? So to give evidence to your belief, you might say, if I can’t afford to pay my bills and buy food, then I must be poor. I’m living in poverty. If I have food for one day, I can’t be poor, I have to have no food on at least seven days in a row to make me poor. A poor person. Somebody who was once rich, I presume, and now they’re poor. Just like that, in the drop of a hat.  Or whatever you decide would make you ‘poor’. 

    If you don’t ‘believe’ that poverty exists, beyond a mindset, you can’t believe in it therefore it doesn’t exist. How does it exist? Just because I have little money and eat from food banks and some people might say, according to their beliefs and parameters of poor etc, that I’m living in poverty, doesn’t mean I am, because I’m not. And according to some people’s parameters, I’m living in absolute luxury. I’ve got a lovely warm, in fact, often sweltering (because I don’t always tell when I’m too hot) house. I’ve got a bed and settle etc, all the usual things that provide a comfortable life at home. I’ve got a heart, overflowing with love and gratitude, I see beauty everywhere. I couldn’t see myself as living in poverty,  if you put a gun to my head and said you must believe it. I just don’t measure myself and who I am or think I am by how much money I’ve got. It’s not a measure of who I am. I hold other things more dear. Such as love, kindebess, generosity etc etc. All the things that hold the most value to me. Me not having money is just me not having money. I don’t add a judgement to it but some people do and that’s perfectly ok for them. Of course it is. Whatever makes you happy. 

    So to me, who doesn’t believe that poverty exists, beyond a mindset, it just doesn’t exist. I know it doesn’t. And if you can show me where it is or how I get it or whatever, please do. 

  • No, that’s not what I’m saying. You can define poverty in any which way you want but you will NEVER make it true. It is simply a mindset. Nothing more. And again, I don’t believe anything. I don’t have beliefs. I either know something or I don’t. To believe, is to doubt, and if I had a doubt, I don’t know if it, so I simply don’t know.

    Well, here we arrive at the contradiction.

    You saying that poverty is simply a mindset is simply *YOUR BELIEF*.  And yet you don't have beliefs.  Except clearly you do.  Hence your statement "I don't have beliefs" is clearly contradicted.

    QED.

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  • No, that’s not what I’m saying. You can define poverty in any which way you want but you will NEVER make it true. It is simply a mindset. Nothing more. And again, I don’t believe anything. I don’t have beliefs. I either know something or I don’t. To believe, is to doubt, and if I had a doubt, I don’t know if it, so I simply don’t know.

    Well, here we arrive at the contradiction.

    You saying that poverty is simply a mindset is simply *YOUR BELIEF*.  And yet you don't have beliefs.  Except clearly you do.  Hence your statement "I don't have beliefs" is clearly contradicted.

    QED.

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  • No. I’m saying, for somebody to live in poverty, they must first of all believe that poverty even exists. They must ‘believe’ that poverty is an actual ‘thing’. For example, they must think it is so real, that it could actually happen to them one day. And from what they’ve heard and read about it, it’s a terrible thing. It would be like you would have the belief that you could actually end up as being one of these things one day. You could end up being a poor person. You could actually find yourself living in poverty, it’s so real. 

    But how would you know? So to give evidence to your belief, you might say, if I can’t afford to pay my bills and buy food, then I must be poor. I’m living in poverty. If I have food for one day, I can’t be poor, I have to have no food on at least seven days in a row to make me poor. A poor person. Somebody who was once rich, I presume, and now they’re poor. Just like that, in the drop of a hat.  Or whatever you decide would make you ‘poor’. 

    If you don’t ‘believe’ that poverty exists, beyond a mindset, you can’t believe in it therefore it doesn’t exist. How does it exist? Just because I have little money and eat from food banks and some people might say, according to their beliefs and parameters of poor etc, that I’m living in poverty, doesn’t mean I am, because I’m not. And according to some people’s parameters, I’m living in absolute luxury. I’ve got a lovely warm, in fact, often sweltering (because I don’t always tell when I’m too hot) house. I’ve got a bed and settle etc, all the usual things that provide a comfortable life at home. I’ve got a heart, overflowing with love and gratitude, I see beauty everywhere. I couldn’t see myself as living in poverty,  if you put a gun to my head and said you must believe it. I just don’t measure myself and who I am or think I am by how much money I’ve got. It’s not a measure of who I am. I hold other things more dear. Such as love, kindebess, generosity etc etc. All the things that hold the most value to me. Me not having money is just me not having money. I don’t add a judgement to it but some people do and that’s perfectly ok for them. Of course it is. Whatever makes you happy. 

    So to me, who doesn’t believe that poverty exists, beyond a mindset, it just doesn’t exist. I know it doesn’t. And if you can show me where it is or how I get it or whatever, please do.