Mishear & Misread

Does anyone else suffer from my problems?

Where I mishear or misread something.

The latest incident is a BBC website  article, where I initially read.

Call to exclude pupils with ASD.

It actually read.

Call to test excluded pupils for ADHD.

Very different!

I often watch DVDs with subtitles.  And when I'm unsure of what was said or written I rewind and listen/read again.  And the second time round it's different.

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  • I misunderstand stuff all the time because I see the world so differently and I’ve understood enough of how a lot of people see the world to not bother to try and understand what they’re saying most of the time and my interpretation is usually much more fun so I prefer to stick with that, unless it’s important for me (or them) to understand and then I’ll put in the effort, otherwise it’s just me, myself and I in my little world Laughing

  • I see the world so differently and I’ve understood enough of how a lot of people see the world to not bother to try and understand what they’re saying most of the time and my interpretation is usually much more fun

    Well, there you go, BlueRay.  Exactly.  You see the world so differently.  The corollary being, other people see the world so differently to you.  And if you can't be bothered to try to understand what they're saying, and prefer to interpret things in a way that is more fun for you, then that's probably why you don't get other people's viewpoints. 

  • Of course they do, we ALL do and I don’t have to try to understand people, I generally do, and unless we’re in a conversation of some kind, I don’t waste my time thinking about how other people see the world, I just accept them as I find them and get on with living. And I’ve rarely, if ever, failed to understand another person’s point of view because I don’t stop until I do understand it. That’s how I live, I keep going ‘until’ ~ so if I’m in a situation that requires me to understand another person’s point of view, in work say with a client, then I don’t stop ‘until’ I do understand it, it’s as simple as that really. 

  • This is one of the smartest posts I've ever read. To be fair, there are people who teach cognitive linguistics to young college students - and they arrive at this wisdom "artificially" in the same sense that other users might come across your words and find them to be true without the lengthy introspective process  that people normally take to arrive at these conclusions (assuming, of course, that they have sufficient introspective power, and also the humility required to admit to at least themselves how little they actually know, and how much of their reasoning is based on association of statements to given authorities / canonical texts.  Einstein famously said "To punish me for my contempt of authority, Fate has made me an authority myself." He also refused to label himself as a genius, reserving that label for Emmy Noether. Instead, he said he was merely hard working.  The reason he succeeded in overturning Newton when other ostensibly smarter people hadn't - that was because he wasn't afraid of admitting he didn't understand the way things worked. There were contradictions that the Michaelson & Morley (sp) experiments introduced that didn't fit with the concept of rigid bodies at the time, as well. 

    When he tried to escape from the *** in 1933, he was denied entry to the USA by our own version of the *** (J Edgar Hoover), who had learned that Hitler had just put a bounty on his head.  When he finally managed to get in, Einstein championed the rights of the poor and also people of color. He was a democratic socialist, after all.   So  In a famous 1946 commencement address at Lincoln University, a historically black college in Pennsylvania, Einstein said that segregation was “not a disease of colored people. It is a disease of white people. I do not intend to be quiet about it.”  He and MLK Jr both had the ability to hear other people out, and recognize that truth itself may seem absolute- but it is a murky, undefinable thing when you get closer to it, and does not "prefer any reference frame".  Everybody is the center of their own universe.

  • No. I’m saying, for somebody to live in poverty, they must first of all believe that poverty even exists. They must ‘believe’ that poverty is an actual ‘thing’. For example, they must think it is so real, that it could actually happen to them one day. And from what they’ve heard and read about it, it’s a terrible thing. It would be like you would have the belief that you could actually end up as being one of these things one day. You could end up being a poor person. You could actually find yourself living in poverty, it’s so real. 

    But how would you know? So to give evidence to your belief, you might say, if I can’t afford to pay my bills and buy food, then I must be poor. I’m living in poverty. If I have food for one day, I can’t be poor, I have to have no food on at least seven days in a row to make me poor. A poor person. Somebody who was once rich, I presume, and now they’re poor. Just like that, in the drop of a hat.  Or whatever you decide would make you ‘poor’. 

    If you don’t ‘believe’ that poverty exists, beyond a mindset, you can’t believe in it therefore it doesn’t exist. How does it exist? Just because I have little money and eat from food banks and some people might say, according to their beliefs and parameters of poor etc, that I’m living in poverty, doesn’t mean I am, because I’m not. And according to some people’s parameters, I’m living in absolute luxury. I’ve got a lovely warm, in fact, often sweltering (because I don’t always tell when I’m too hot) house. I’ve got a bed and settle etc, all the usual things that provide a comfortable life at home. I’ve got a heart, overflowing with love and gratitude, I see beauty everywhere. I couldn’t see myself as living in poverty,  if you put a gun to my head and said you must believe it. I just don’t measure myself and who I am or think I am by how much money I’ve got. It’s not a measure of who I am. I hold other things more dear. Such as love, kindebess, generosity etc etc. All the things that hold the most value to me. Me not having money is just me not having money. I don’t add a judgement to it but some people do and that’s perfectly ok for them. Of course it is. Whatever makes you happy. 

    So to me, who doesn’t believe that poverty exists, beyond a mindset, it just doesn’t exist. I know it doesn’t. And if you can show me where it is or how I get it or whatever, please do. 

  • No, that’s not what I’m saying. You can define poverty in any which way you want but you will NEVER make it true. It is simply a mindset. Nothing more. And again, I don’t believe anything. I don’t have beliefs. I either know something or I don’t. To believe, is to doubt, and if I had a doubt, I don’t know if it, so I simply don’t know.

    Well, here we arrive at the contradiction.

    You saying that poverty is simply a mindset is simply *YOUR BELIEF*.  And yet you don't have beliefs.  Except clearly you do.  Hence your statement "I don't have beliefs" is clearly contradicted.

    QED.

  • Who’s taking about scientific theories? If you study Einstein’s work, you’ll find that much of it was never published. One, because the public would never believe it and two, because it wasn’t at that point known to him, that it can be scientifically proved. 

    Here’s just one universal law. What a man thinks and believes is true about him, will manifest into his outer, physical experience. You don’t have to ‘believe’ this and it’s very easy to put it to the test in your own experience. 

    No, that’s not what I’m saying. You can define poverty in any which way you want but you will NEVER make it true. It is simply a mindset. Nothing more. And again, I don’t believe anything. I don’t have beliefs. I either know something or I don’t. To believe, is to doubt, and if I had a doubt, I don’t know if it, so I simply don’t know.

    But if somebody believes in poverty. That it exists as an actually ‘thing’, they will give you proof. Look, this person has no money so they’re poor, etc etc and so when they have less money than they think is on or above the poverty line, that they’ve decided exists, they will instantly think they’re poor, and that will be their outer experience. But not everybody defines themselves by how much money they have so it meaningless in that sense, to look at their outer situation and judge it by means of how much money they have or don’t have. If they had no money, they would just think, I have no money. They wouldn’t think they’re ‘poor’ because they don’t equate how much money they have with who they are. 

  • There are many universal truths, ask Einstein,

    And that is where you are wrong.  Very little of what people call "scientific fact" is in fact incontrovertibly true.  Einstein would be the first person to tell you that.  Scientific theories are just hypotheses which, by consensus, are agreed to be the best known explanation for particular phenomenon.  But by their nature, scientific hypotheses / theories are falsifiable.  That is to say it is possible to potentially find instances where what the hypothesis / theory predicts something that turns out to be not what is actually observed to happen.

    Case in point.  There was this young whippersnapper called Isaac Newton who postulated his "Universal law gravitation".  He was able to provide strong experimental evidence for his hypothesis, and others were able to repeat his results, and also his law to make predictions of other phenomenon which matched the predictions.  So Newton's hypothesis of gravity became an accepted theory.  That was fine until a few hundred years later when another young whippersnapper called Albert Einstein came along and said "Newton's universal law of gravity is all fine and dandy, but actually it doesn't work in these circumstances.  Instead I propose Einstein's general relativity to replace Newton's law as a better model".

    But we already know that Einstein's model is wrong, because it doesn't match with our best understanding of the microscopic world of the makeup of matter called "The Standard Model".  And all our experimental evidence to date suggests that the standard model is correct.  So that tells us that neither general relativity, nor the standard model are correct, because they don't consistently predict the same outcomes.  In other words, we know that much of the basis of modern physics is wrong, because our two best models don't play together.

    But that's fine, because we can still use these models to predict much that is of use, but we know that they are not the be all and end all and universal truths, because actually we know that they are wrong.

    but poverty is an experience that a person has when they believe the thought that they’re living in poverty.

    And again, this is where you are wrong.  What you are asserting is not the universal truth that you believe it is.  What you claiming is that if you define poverty in the way that you like to define it, which I can absolutely guarantee you is not a definition with any consensus behind it, then that is true.  So it is not true that poverty doesn't exist because it's all a figment of your imagination, because the majority of people in the world don't accept that definition.

  • For something to be true, it must be true for everybody, all of the time and it can never change. If it could change, then it was never true, it simply appeared to be true, and truth seekers don’t bother with these. 

    There are many universal truths, ask Einstein, if you want someone clever to tell you and if you want to see or know those truths, you simply make the decision to do that and at some point on your journey, you will discover or become aware of the universal truths. They’re there or should I say, here.  Just because a person isn’t aware of them, it doesn’t mean they’re not there and they have nothing to do with knowledge. As far as knowledge is concerned, none of us knows anything. Knowledge and science is always updating. 

    You’re right, there is no such thing as a chair but we can all agree what a chair is, but poverty is an experience that a person has when they believe the thought that they’re living in poverty. 

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  • For something to be true, it must be true for everybody, all of the time and it can never change. If it could change, then it was never true, it simply appeared to be true, and truth seekers don’t bother with these. 

    There are many universal truths, ask Einstein, if you want someone clever to tell you and if you want to see or know those truths, you simply make the decision to do that and at some point on your journey, you will discover or become aware of the universal truths. They’re there or should I say, here.  Just because a person isn’t aware of them, it doesn’t mean they’re not there and they have nothing to do with knowledge. As far as knowledge is concerned, none of us knows anything. Knowledge and science is always updating. 

    You’re right, there is no such thing as a chair but we can all agree what a chair is, but poverty is an experience that a person has when they believe the thought that they’re living in poverty. 

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  • No. I’m saying, for somebody to live in poverty, they must first of all believe that poverty even exists. They must ‘believe’ that poverty is an actual ‘thing’. For example, they must think it is so real, that it could actually happen to them one day. And from what they’ve heard and read about it, it’s a terrible thing. It would be like you would have the belief that you could actually end up as being one of these things one day. You could end up being a poor person. You could actually find yourself living in poverty, it’s so real. 

    But how would you know? So to give evidence to your belief, you might say, if I can’t afford to pay my bills and buy food, then I must be poor. I’m living in poverty. If I have food for one day, I can’t be poor, I have to have no food on at least seven days in a row to make me poor. A poor person. Somebody who was once rich, I presume, and now they’re poor. Just like that, in the drop of a hat.  Or whatever you decide would make you ‘poor’. 

    If you don’t ‘believe’ that poverty exists, beyond a mindset, you can’t believe in it therefore it doesn’t exist. How does it exist? Just because I have little money and eat from food banks and some people might say, according to their beliefs and parameters of poor etc, that I’m living in poverty, doesn’t mean I am, because I’m not. And according to some people’s parameters, I’m living in absolute luxury. I’ve got a lovely warm, in fact, often sweltering (because I don’t always tell when I’m too hot) house. I’ve got a bed and settle etc, all the usual things that provide a comfortable life at home. I’ve got a heart, overflowing with love and gratitude, I see beauty everywhere. I couldn’t see myself as living in poverty,  if you put a gun to my head and said you must believe it. I just don’t measure myself and who I am or think I am by how much money I’ve got. It’s not a measure of who I am. I hold other things more dear. Such as love, kindebess, generosity etc etc. All the things that hold the most value to me. Me not having money is just me not having money. I don’t add a judgement to it but some people do and that’s perfectly ok for them. Of course it is. Whatever makes you happy. 

    So to me, who doesn’t believe that poverty exists, beyond a mindset, it just doesn’t exist. I know it doesn’t. And if you can show me where it is or how I get it or whatever, please do. 

  • No, that’s not what I’m saying. You can define poverty in any which way you want but you will NEVER make it true. It is simply a mindset. Nothing more. And again, I don’t believe anything. I don’t have beliefs. I either know something or I don’t. To believe, is to doubt, and if I had a doubt, I don’t know if it, so I simply don’t know.

    Well, here we arrive at the contradiction.

    You saying that poverty is simply a mindset is simply *YOUR BELIEF*.  And yet you don't have beliefs.  Except clearly you do.  Hence your statement "I don't have beliefs" is clearly contradicted.

    QED.

  • Who’s taking about scientific theories? If you study Einstein’s work, you’ll find that much of it was never published. One, because the public would never believe it and two, because it wasn’t at that point known to him, that it can be scientifically proved. 

    Here’s just one universal law. What a man thinks and believes is true about him, will manifest into his outer, physical experience. You don’t have to ‘believe’ this and it’s very easy to put it to the test in your own experience. 

    No, that’s not what I’m saying. You can define poverty in any which way you want but you will NEVER make it true. It is simply a mindset. Nothing more. And again, I don’t believe anything. I don’t have beliefs. I either know something or I don’t. To believe, is to doubt, and if I had a doubt, I don’t know if it, so I simply don’t know.

    But if somebody believes in poverty. That it exists as an actually ‘thing’, they will give you proof. Look, this person has no money so they’re poor, etc etc and so when they have less money than they think is on or above the poverty line, that they’ve decided exists, they will instantly think they’re poor, and that will be their outer experience. But not everybody defines themselves by how much money they have so it meaningless in that sense, to look at their outer situation and judge it by means of how much money they have or don’t have. If they had no money, they would just think, I have no money. They wouldn’t think they’re ‘poor’ because they don’t equate how much money they have with who they are. 

  • There are many universal truths, ask Einstein,

    And that is where you are wrong.  Very little of what people call "scientific fact" is in fact incontrovertibly true.  Einstein would be the first person to tell you that.  Scientific theories are just hypotheses which, by consensus, are agreed to be the best known explanation for particular phenomenon.  But by their nature, scientific hypotheses / theories are falsifiable.  That is to say it is possible to potentially find instances where what the hypothesis / theory predicts something that turns out to be not what is actually observed to happen.

    Case in point.  There was this young whippersnapper called Isaac Newton who postulated his "Universal law gravitation".  He was able to provide strong experimental evidence for his hypothesis, and others were able to repeat his results, and also his law to make predictions of other phenomenon which matched the predictions.  So Newton's hypothesis of gravity became an accepted theory.  That was fine until a few hundred years later when another young whippersnapper called Albert Einstein came along and said "Newton's universal law of gravity is all fine and dandy, but actually it doesn't work in these circumstances.  Instead I propose Einstein's general relativity to replace Newton's law as a better model".

    But we already know that Einstein's model is wrong, because it doesn't match with our best understanding of the microscopic world of the makeup of matter called "The Standard Model".  And all our experimental evidence to date suggests that the standard model is correct.  So that tells us that neither general relativity, nor the standard model are correct, because they don't consistently predict the same outcomes.  In other words, we know that much of the basis of modern physics is wrong, because our two best models don't play together.

    But that's fine, because we can still use these models to predict much that is of use, but we know that they are not the be all and end all and universal truths, because actually we know that they are wrong.

    but poverty is an experience that a person has when they believe the thought that they’re living in poverty.

    And again, this is where you are wrong.  What you are asserting is not the universal truth that you believe it is.  What you claiming is that if you define poverty in the way that you like to define it, which I can absolutely guarantee you is not a definition with any consensus behind it, then that is true.  So it is not true that poverty doesn't exist because it's all a figment of your imagination, because the majority of people in the world don't accept that definition.