Verbal communication and actions are over rated.
For example, for the past 12 months while I’ve been in burnout, I haven’t heard from hardly any of my friends and barely any of my family, and I’ve got a lot of friends and family, so this isn’t usual.
This has been a true god send to me. Most of them don’t even know yet that I’m autistic and they certainly don’t know I’ve been in a burnout, they have no idea.
However, since I’ve started to feel better, I’ve had a steady but manageable (so far) stream of friends contacting me. Inviting me out for lunch, to go for a walk, to go nordic walking, cycling, one friend who knows I would love to go to Marrakesh has paid for and booked a holiday there for us in June, the same friend has also booked a hotel for us next week so we can go to listen to her favourite band who are coming over from America. None of her friends like the band so they won’t go but she knows I’d go to the end of the world for her if needs be so although I don’t like going to listen to bands, I’m happy to go with her because I know how important it is to her and she’s insisted that she pay for that as well. We might not see each other or have any kind of contact for months and months on end but she knows she can rely on me to the degree that if i’m able to help or be there for her in any way, I will be. She doesn’t have the same level of confidence in the friends she hangs out with all the time.
I have other invites coming in as well, as well as friends popping up to simply say hi, how are you. I don’t keep in regular verbal or physical contact with my friends or family but we are in touch constantly by something much stronger than our words and actions. They didn’t know that I need their friendships right now, that their friendships are what will help me on my next leg of the journey. I’ve decided to go back to India and Bali and some other countries so I’m going to be away for a while this time, maybe a few years, maybe forever, who knows, so it’s great that I get to see some of my friends before I go. And no matter where I am in the world, at least one of my family or friends (who are my family) will come and visit me. They have been to Australia, Bali, India, the Isle of Man, all the places I’ve lived in the UK, wherever I go or wherever I am my friends keep in touch with me some how. I’ve even had letters and cards arrive at remote ashrams I’ve been at in India ~ I wouldn’t even know you could do that!
I don’t keep in touch with them so much but they never let me out of their hearts and visa versa. They all encourage and support me no matter what I do. My dad is currently encouraging me to walk the Pacific Crest Trail, another friend bought me the book with the route etc and I just know that whether I want them to or not, at least one of them will come and see me while I’m walking the trail and either walk a bit of the trail with me or for me to have a little stop off with them. I know when my sister is hurt and in which part of her body and visa versa and she’s the least ‘spiritual’ person you could ever come across.
This is a few days later now and I have to admit that the messages from friends and family is starting to become a little overwhelming for me now. I’ll handle it. But what I’m saying is, if I had to rely on verbal communication, I don’t think I’d have any friends at all, but I speak to them in my language. They don’t use this language with other people and they have no idea really how it works with me but it does and I’m overflowing with gratitude at the love and friendship that’s pouring my way now, now that I’m ready to receive it.
Verbal communication hurts my head, sign language is a bit better but I much prefer to communicate in a non verbal, none sign language way. That way I don’t have to get past all your understandings and you beyond mine before we reach some level of mutual understanding.
This is why I love silent retreats and the level of friendships you form there go way deeper than the ones you make when you are verbally communicating or communicating through body language.
I love it when I go mute but that doesn’t happen very often so I have to accept that I was given the ability to speak for some reason. I have surrendered to this now so now I will be guided in whatever way I need to be and if it means using my voice, so be it. I don’t hate it like I used to. I accept I can speak and now I’m not fighting it I guess I’ll soon find out why I can. I still find verbal/body language to be a very crude and harsh form of communication though.
Sounds like things are really improving for you and it is good that people are showing such a genuine interest in you as well as caring for your well-being and needs. The fact that you have some unwritten agreement among you and your friends on how best is to communicate is wonderful. I am still trying to work on that one, but the fact that you have accomplished this brings me hope. Verbal/body language is overrated and unfortunately society revolves around it, but I still believe there is a way that NT and ND people can communicate between each other better than we do currently. Understanding and education will help with this over time.
I'm glad that things are improving for you and you are feeling better than when we last spoke. :)
Thank you Starbuck, I appreciate that. I feel so loved and cared for right now and with every message I get I feel so fortunate. I know I’m there for my friends and I don’t really ask for help, I didn’t know how to, but this feels like they are paying me back 100% plus more ~ not that I ever put a price on what I give.
And yes, I 100% agree with you. I absolutely believe there’s a way we can communicate better with nt’s. Most of my friends are nt’s and the diagnosis and the time spent in this burnout have taught me that I need to learn about others and understand them as much as I want them to understand me, as far as they can. My support worker is helping me with that as well and I’m finding ways to communicate with people that doesn’t result in arguments and me getting annoyed with them. I also see how even my brother in law, who I thought for all these years was out to wind me up, wasn’t/isn’t. I thought he was the chief winder upper and he wasn’t at all.
I’m coming to understand that my autistic traits won’t dissapear just because I have awareness of them but that I can do things to minimise meltdowns etc. For example, I might spent time with people but maybe make the visit a bit shorter and rest afterwards.
Having all that time alone, not even having to get out of bed or wash and change everyday etc has helped me tremendously as well as having the support from people on this site. I’ve still got a long way to go, my support worker keeps reminding me that I’ve got further to go than I’d like to think and that we have to keep on working the baby steps, because they are actually working. But I’m out of the darkest stage and I can see the light and that’s good enough for me.
I think we will all find our way to the light if that’s what we’re aiming for, however we get there. You’re often in my thoughts Starbuck because I know we were at a similar stage so I’m glad that my experience is giving you hope. It’s like it all just happened all of a sudden but as we know I put a lot of effort in to getting me where I am today but it worked. I’ve stopped taking the anti depressants but they were a huge huge help. I don’t think I could have got this far without them. I’m very grateful to them.
With the communication thing, I think it’s all about have total confidence in yourself. Not in who you present to the world, that’s superficial, but in that thing, whatever it is that got us this far. I’ve always had a strong connection to it, all my life, although I didn’t understand it like I do now, or I didn’t understand that others weren’t like me. It’s like when you’re so connected to that thing inside of you that is beyond thoughts and ideas, it emenates out and meets other people. It’s like, I knew I needed this period of total solitude. I knew that and had so much confidence in it, it’s like my friends responded and supported me by not contacting me in all that time. If they had been contacting me I would have been freaking out, I wouldn’t have been able to handle it. I came off all social media, unsubscribed to all email lists and started blocking them. This took me nearly a year but I achieved it so now I’m not getting emails. I just reduced my life down to nothing, basically. I rarely even get mail coming through the door now. In the past year I’ve hardly ate and when I did, it was usually chocolate yet my blood results are better than they’ve ever been. My vitamin D levels are the highest my doctor said that he’s ever seen. He said in fact, he’s never tested anybody who wasn’t deficient. And I know this is true after working with consultants and politicians in the Isle of Man to get the government to supplement everyone as a matter of course. I have never not been aneamic. Me, my mum, sister and niece are all aneamic. We take iron tablets now and again if it goes too low and we can rarely give blood, but this time, my levels were normal. I have provided my body with little nutrition, no sun light, hardly any fresh air, I have barely moved, I even have bed soars, I haven’t kept my hydration levels up, I have been frequently dehydrated, living on solpeideine to take the pain away because even though I knew a drink of water would do that, I couldn’t drink. Even if I had had to live on the streets, there was nothing that was coming between me and my burnout. Meaning I was shutting the whole world out. I knew it would work even though all those around me were worried, trying to throw labels at me, eating disorder, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, depression, anxiety, agoraphobia. I was none of those things. I presented as those things but that was a false appearance. I was simply exhausted. My first shut down of this proportion was when I was 18 months old and they put me in an isolation ward at the hospital for kids with learning difficulties, for 3 weeks, all by myself with only nurses going in to feed me. And it worked. I began to function again. And as many of us found out, receiving the diagnosis is not only a cause of celebration with the answers to so many questions, asked and unasked, it also comes with loss, grief, devastation, fear for the future and lots of other things. In the end I also stopped going to the job centre. I just told them I’m not going in any more, it’s not helping me, I need to not leave my house at all. They didn’t sanction me and they’re making it so I don’t have to go in any more. When I need that time for total shut down, I am so committed to getting that time that I will not accept anything less but I also don’t put any conditions on it. If it meant living on the streets and eating out of bins I would have done it. And I think when you’re that committed to giving yourself what you need, everyone around you seems to cooperate without you having to verbalise it. I was too tired for that. And now I’m coming out of it with a clearer mind and heart. The effort was all worth it.
Much love to you X
BlueRay said: In the end I also stopped going to the job centre. I just told them I’m not going in any more, it’s not helping me, I need to not leave my house at all. They didn’t sanction me and they’re making it so I don’t have to go in any more. When I need that time for total shut down, I am so committed to getting that time that I will not accept anything less but I also don’t put any conditions on it. If it meant living on the streets and eating out of bins I would have done it. And I think when you’re that committed to giving yourself what you need, everyone around you seems to cooperate without you having to verbalise it.
Golly! You really must walk an exalted path, BlueRay. How come you weren't sanctioned? When I failed my ESA assessment, following my suicidal breakdown, they stopped all of my benefits dead. I had nothing to pay rent or anything. I nearly went under. I appealed, so everything was reinstated - but then I had to go through all the stress of the appeal, and then later a tribunal. All of it nearly finished me off. I count myself lucky that it didn't, because it's finished off many thousands of other people. When the DWP were finally forced to reveal the figures on sanctions deaths, it was shown that over a two-year period between 2012 and 2014, 2,380 people on ESA died within a fortnight of being told they'd been deemed fit for work and would lose the benefit. An horrific proportion were suicides. But you're saying you simply went to the Job Centre and said 'I'm not coming in any more because it's not helping me', and they just happily went along with it? Even though we hear countless stories all the time of people having JSA sanctions simply because they were half an hour late turning up to sign on, or didn't go because they were ill. They clearly saw how committed you were to your shutdown, I suppose. I also find it remarkable how light you make of living on the streets and eating out of bins - as if it's a valid and wonderful life experience. Who are all these people, too, who magically co-operate when that happens? All these friends you have?
I didn’t even go into the job centre to tell them I wasn’t coming in. This is what I mean. I woke up one morning and something told me I had missed a job centre appointment. I checked and I had. I thought good, because I don’t want to go in that place any more anyway.
I had had a break of three weeks from the job centre because my work coach went on a three week cruise. They would never put me with another advisor, even though they had introduced me to one ‘just in case’ and they had helped me to get to know her. But that was ‘just in case’ my advisor dropped dead. I said I would only see another advisor if she dropped dead. So obviously they didn’t give me another advisor in her absence.
That three week break was like bliss. It did me so much good. I only went to my autism group once in that time and I didn’t go to the ancestry group at all. It was wonderful. I got a really good amount of rest.
So when I realised I had missed the appointment, I thought I’m just going to phone them up and tell them, the break has done me good and I’m not coming in anymore.
I phoned a number. I told them. The woman on the end of the phone said instantly that I wasn’t sanctioned, I nearly said I never thought I was, but I didn’t. She was then very apologetic that she had to make me an appointment though. She told me not to worry, she would make the appointment with my work coach (they do it there and then) but that she would also send a message to my coach, to explain the situation, so I didn’t have to, and she would make the appointment for only 10 minutes and she would ask the work coach to make the arrangements for me to go in the group where I don’t have to go into the job centre.
I never asked for any of that. I barely spoke. I said I’ll see if I can make it.
I went for the appointment, my friend came with me. Before I said anything, the work coach said straight away, don’t worry, I understand the situation, I got the message, you don’t have to say anything. She even apologised (which I thought was weird) and began to stammer a little bit, unlike I’d seen her do before, and she said I’m sorry, I thought we’d already requested a work assessment, I don’t know what’s happened to it.
I didn’t say anything, but to my knowledge and memory, we had never discussed a work assessment. So she said she’s on to it anyway. She said she will have to see me in a few weeks but we’ll make it as our catch up. She’ll tell me about the cruise and tell her what I’ve been up to. She said don’t worry.
The job centre coach doesn’t talk to me about details of the benefit either, like once she said they couldn’t accept my sick note. My support worker (arranged by the work coach) liases with her on my behalf so she can then explain things like that to me in a way that I can understand.
All of that happened and I barely said anything. I have heard and met people in a similar situation as yours. One lady at my group was supported financially and in every other way for months while she was left with no money. I was astounded at the generosity of the people in the group in the way they supported her. She wouldn’t have survived all that time without their support.
I don’t make ‘light’ of living off the streets and eating out of bins I simply see no difference to sitting on a street to sitting on a setee in a house. Yes, the setee might be more comfortable, but comfort is only one aspect of my life and there are also many ways to get comfortable, even on the streets. And if I’m sitting down, I’m sitting down, no matter what I’m sitting on.
What I’m trying to say is, if I’m on the streets, I’m on the streets. If I’m living in a mansion, I’m living in a mansion. I might have a preference for one over the other if I was given a choice, but in this life, if you want something you are not always given a choice as to how it will come about.
If I had been sanctioned, I would simply see that I’ve been sanctioned. If that lead to me sleeping on the streets, it would be that last night I slept in that house, tonight I’m sleeping on the street. If the only way I could have my shut down was by sleeping on the street, I would still go to sleep with the same smile on my face and with the same amount of love and gratitude in my heart for the ability to have my shut down and to be able to go to sleep. If I’m asleep, I’m asleep. What difference does it make if I’m in a mansion or on a street? Im still the one sleeping whether I’m in a bed or on a street. Sleep is sleep. What I sleep in doesn’t change who I am. It doesn’t change my happiness. It doesn’t change my gratitude or my adventure. I’m just sleeping here tonight. I don’t put conditions on how I receive what I want/need, only that I get it.
I didn’t think I don’t want to be sanctioned. That thought never came into my head. I thought, I don’t want to go into that job centre. I’ve had enough. I’ve enjoyed not getting washed and dressed and needing to know what day it is so I don’t miss the appointment. My mind has got clearer and sharper. I feel more energised, even if it’s only in my mind right now, my body will follow if I continue this freedom from having to do those things such as get washed and dressed and be somewhere I don’t want to go, somewhere that stresses me out. And that’s what happened after I told them. I didn’t ask them not to sanction me. The thought never came into my head.
They’re now arranging it so I don’t have to go in to the job centre. I’ve stopped making any kind of entries in that journal thing as well. I stopped that ages ago actually. Before she went away, she did ask me to make one entry, to avoid it going upstairs (whatever that meant) and she told me what to say.
I don’t think I walk an exalted path at all (whatever that is, but I’m sure I don’t). I didn’t know what would happen when I picked up that phone. Maybe they said you’re sanctioned. Well in that case, I would have probably said, ok, thank you and gone back to bed, as I did after she said I wasn’t sanctioned.
I would of carried on doing what I was doing. Talking on here probably and that’s it. I wouldn’t be angry or upset that they had sanctioned me. It’s not as if it was my money to start with. And I would have just carried on. I don’t know what would have happen after that but I did know, I was going to get my rest and that’s all that mattered.
So I guess, in this situation, the people who magically cooperated with what I wanted, was the woman who answered the phone, the job centre coach and my friend, who turned up that day, not knowing about any of this, and encouraged me to go because otherwise, I don’t think I would have gone. I didn’t want to talk to them, that was the whole point, I was improving more because I wasn’t going in there. . She said I’ll go with you and you don’t have to speak, I’ll speak for you. But it turned out that none of us had to speak, it seems the woman who answered the phone said something, I’ve no idea what, but whatever she said she made it clear I didn’t want to speak. I think that was the day my friend took me out to lunch as well.
BlueRay said:I simply see no difference to sitting on a street to sitting on a setee in a house. Yes, the setee might be more comfortable, but comfort is only one aspect of my life and there are also many ways to get comfortable, even on the streets. And if I’m sitting down, I’m sitting down, no matter what I’m sitting on.
I'm sorry, BlueRay, but I can't help it on this occasion. This is nonsense. Not only that, but many desperate homeless people would find it extremely insensitive at best and grossly offensive at worst.
It is nonsense to you because you have a belief that sitting on a setee is somehow better than sitting on a street. I’m not sure I understand how? Maybe you could explain for me please.
And what has the capacity of other people to feel offended got to do with what I say???? Please explain or maybe you’re some kind of spokesperson for homeless people or at least desperate homeless people and you’re relyaying my thoughts on life to them?!? I don’t understand but as far as I know, I’ve never offended a homeless person yet and I know a lot of them, some of my friends have been homeless most of their lives. Maybe the ones I know aren’t desperate enough and the more desperate a person gets the greater their capacity for feeling offended?!? I don’t know, I’m a little confused.
No. What's nonsense is that you 'see no difference', and seem to be using it as some kind of generalisation to say 'there is no difference'. I'm not talking about what I believe, but about the people who've spent all day - in the city where I work - sitting out on the pavement in the cold and rain, and who would probably give anything just to sit on an old wooden crate, let alone a settee. Try going up to one of them and saying 'I simply see no difference to sitting on a street and sitting on a settee in a house' and see what kind of a reception you get. One homeless man in that city died last week from exposure to the cold. I wonder if he thought his place was no different to being indoors on a nice warm, comfy settee. I'm also talking about the people who are literally terrified of being ten minutes late for an appointment at the Job Centre, in case they lose their benefits as a result. People who don't just take such things in their stride, firm in their belief in magic, but who worry about being in debt, being homeless, being unable to feed their children, etc.
'And if I'm sitting down, I'm sitting down, no matter what I'm sitting on'. Well, yes - ipso facto. But there's a world of difference - maybe not to you, but to many others - to sitting on a cold, wet pavement and sitting on a settee in a warm house. Your reasoning here is a bit like saying 'If I'm eating, I'm eating, no matter what I'm eating'... whether it's chocolate, or cake, or a piece of stale bread chucked out for the birds, or a bar of soap.
Your thoughts are precisely that: your thoughts. Don't try using them as a way of saying 'Everyone should feel this way.' And before you say 'I don't', perhaps you should think a little more about the way you speak. 'Poverty doesn't exist'. 'Ill-health doesn't exist'. It's not presented as a subjective view, but as if it's some kind of universal truth.... and those of us who don't accept it as such are somehow merely susceptible to 'faulty thinking.'
Perhaps Tom, it is you that needs to spend some time speaking with people who are homeless. You seem to forget, I have lived on the streets, several times, I have friends who still live on the streets and I still talk to them and others. I speak to them as I speak on here and I have never received anywhere near close to the level of hostility that I have had directed at me from people on this forum. And it is not just ‘one’ man who died last week from exposure to the cold, only you don’t hear about the majority them, we do. Those of us who live on the streets or are still in communication/friendships/relationships with people living on the streets, we know when someone dies but their deaths rarely make the news, so you might hear about the odd one but we mourn, love and miss the ones you don’t even know exist.
The stress of keeping appointments at the job centre is high for me, that’s why I’m not going anymore. The stress of meeting the appointments is not helping me move forwards. It’s nothing to do with whether they will pay me or not it is simply that if I don’t keep that appointment in my mind at all times, I am likely to miss it. And I don’t believe in magic, in fact, I don’t ‘believe’ in anything, I either know it or I don’t, where does belief fit into that? And don’t tell me I don’t know anything. If you have a cup of coffee, you don’t have to ‘believe’ that you can pick it up, put it to your mouth, and then drink the coffee. You know you can. I either know something to that level of certainty or I don’t know so there are way more things I don’t know, way more, but there are some things I do know. If I don’t know it and I want to know it, I will do everything I can to know it, but if I don’t need to know it then I’m happy not knowing.
Yes, it does matter to many people where they sit because they give greater value to the thing they’re sitting on than to the act of sitting. And to many people in this country, they value a settee, for example, that has cost more ‘money’ as having greater value than a floor, for example, that they don’t directly pay for. Not realising that it’s the floor that is supporting their precious settee.
You’re right. That is my reasoning, if I’m sitting I’m sitting, if I’m walking I’m walking, no matter what I’ve got on my feet. And yes, if I’m eating I’m eating. There may be a difference in the food I’m eating but the difference is in the food, I’m still eating regardless of what I’m eating. People give value and meaning to ‘things’ and it is the value and meaning they give to the thing that makes it different, not the thing itself. You can have two comfortable chairs, for example. One could cost more money to produce and a person who values money, who has made money into their god, will say the most expensive chair is the best one because to them, given their value system, their god, the most expensive one is logically the best one for them. They value money therefore they value the things they can buy with their money. But to me and many other people who are homeless, a bed is a bed whether it costs £10,000 or it’s one we get to sleep in in a hostel. But a person who values money, they won’t see it that way. They will think the higher priced bed is better and better still if it is placed inside a building that costs more money. A lavish mansion for example instead of a building to house the homeless. It’s all about your value system and the majority of my friends on the streets and the other people who are homeless that I talk to, have values closer to mine (love, people, friendships, kindness) as supposed to yours, money and what it can buy. I do not and have never said that is wrong, it is just different to my value system therefore conversations with me require some patience and time to be mutually understood. I get that on the streets. Maybe because they’re not so obsessed worrying about making money or getting money from the government so they are able to take the time to really listen and hear what I’m saying and visa versa. I’d rather finish a conversation than rush off somewhere to give devotion to my god of money by going to do a job so I can get more of it or to the job centre to make sure they give me more of it. I’d rather just finish and enjoy my conversation because that is more benefit to me because I connect to people, not money, not their title, their job, their status in society, the size of their house or even if they have a house at all, I treat people all the same regardless of the ‘labels’ or their differences.
My thoughts are precisely that, ‘my’ thoughts!!!! That’s why I started to make a disclaimer at the beginning of my posts because I got the impression that people didn’t realise that so I thought I needed to make it clear. I’ve never had to make that clear to people, people I usually speak to know my thoughts are my thoughts, I don’t have to tell them. They’re usually so far removed from theirs that they wouldn’t need telling, they have no confusion around that. Most people don’t even understand my thoughts so they know they’re mine and not theirs. Maybe it’s an autistic thing to need to be reminded that when I speak I am speaking from my thoughts, but actually that’s not true, I don’t have to tell the people at my group, before I speak, that these are my thoughts!!! I don’t have to make that announcement, they just know. I have NEVER told anyone how to feel ~ that’s such a ridiculous thought to me that I barely know how to respond. How can one human tell another how to think???
Perhaps you should think a little more about the way you speak Tom? My friends run into the hundreds and I’m not just talking superficial friendships, I’m talking about real friendships. I have homeless people who would give me their last penny, in fact they have. Only you can say if your thinking is faulty. I love everybody. That is my thinking and as a result, I have hundreds of loving, kind, considerate friends who would do almost anything for me. They say I’m brutally honest, I speak my mind and they like that, because whether they like what I say, whether they understand it, whether it upsets them or makes them happy, it doesn’t matter, they trust me to tell them my honest thoughts etc, they know I won’t shy away from that through fear or offending or upsetting them. People come to me when they have a problem because they know they’ll leave without it. I speak now as I always have, the same as when I was a child and this is the first place I have ever been met with so much hostility. And nobody can say it’s aitistic people because the people at my group love me and I’ve only been going there since November. Some of them look out for me and their faces light up when I walk in. So I don’t think I need to change the way I speak, only the people I speak to. I have never in my life been met with so much hostility, even people on Facebook and YouTube will stick with the conversation long enough to understand where I’m coming from. Not to try to think like me, nobody wants that, but to understand my world, where I’m coming from, and sometimes that helps them, sometimes it doesn’t, it’s not supposed to ‘help’ them, it’s a conversation, it’s about understanding each other, it’s called diversity. Most people marvel at my mind without ever so much as ever wanting to even begin to understand it and that doesn’t create a barrier to communication, it actually helps. It’s exhausting for me sometimes to keep explaining myself and fortunately, I have many friends who haven’t got a clue what I’m talking about and they don’t need to, or want to, and we have a great time. They just make it clear, when they want to talk about somebody, complain or just be negative in general, that I must not say a word until they’ve finished and even then I can’t comment and I don’t. They enjoy that and I would never want to stop a person’s enjoyment. They just tell me to shut it, and I do. There’s no hostility, we’re friend’s and even though their love is conditional, they love me just as much as I love them and it’s the love that bonds us, not where we live, what job we do, how big our eyes are, how much make up we wear, how much money we have, how much we are the same. All my friends are different. Yes, they have clusters, that’s natural, but we are all the same underneath. I have friends who are millionaires, one is in his 20’s and will soon be a billionaire, I have friends in jail, on the streets, heroin addicts, friends who are doctors, dentists, psychiatrists, etc, friends who work in government, finance, friends who don’t work at all. None of those differences matter, it’s the person underneath all that that counts (to me), and that’s who I talk to. No person is wrong. Every person is beautiful, precious and loved so much by me, I would never want to change any one of them, I love diversity, it makes the world so colourful and wonderful. I don’t have to change the way I talk, it’s acceptable to all my friends, and strangers, I just need to change who I speak to. I will speak to most people, my only exception is where there is hostility. I’m very sensitive and hostile environments have no benefit to me so you don’t have to worry or try and control the way I talk any more, I’m out of here. I’m going to answer any last posts I care to answer then I’ll be gone. I’ll check in now and again just incase (Orinoco I think it was) has any questions on the process I gave them but I won’t be reading posts or contributing.
BlueRay said:Perhaps Tom, it is you that needs to spend some time speaking with people who are homeless.
I have spent several working years speaking to homeless people, in shelters, etc - or even simply of my own free will. These people included my own father. My response was provoked by my own such experiences. In all of that time, and with all of the many people I've met, I've rarely met a person who wanted their homeless situation to continue, and felt somehow 'settled' with it - or who had accepted it openly and regarded it as a wonderful experience. I certainly never met anyone who viewed sitting on a pavement as no different to sitting in a house. Most would have given anything to get back to a situation where they had a roof over their heads, security, and an income of some form. Many had mental health issues, which were often what had led them to the streets. Many, too, had substance misuse issues to deal with. Again, addictions had often led them to where they were. And once you're on the street, such problems and issues very often get much worse.
Being a vulnerable person myself, I naturally identify with vulnerable people - and animals - and for over thirty years have been active in their behalf in many respects. My life-commitment is to helping the vulnerable. So when I read something - subjective, but presented as some kind of universal truth - that appears to trivialise their experience, then I react.
I accept that each person's experience of just about everything on earth is different. So when I say 'appears to trivialise', I mean it subjectively.
I, too, hope you won't leave, BlueRay. As someone who's also been a victim of bullying, I know what it's like to feel that you are in a hostile environment. I'm sorry if you felt that my attitude was bullying. Truly sorry. I hope you can understand why I reacted the way I did. I think it might be time for me to give things a rest, too.
Thank you Tom. I’ve calmed down now and I know that the way I speak can provoke strong reactions in people, I just didn’t expect to receive the comments I did, but I’ve calmed down now.
What I talk about are universal truths, proved scientifically by people like Einstein. What the public know about Einstein is very little compared to the work he was involved in which was learning more about the universal laws.
I’m not saying people are settled and happy to be on the streets, although many are, for certain periods of time anyway while that is the best thing for them. If I had been settled with it I’d still be there now, but complaining about it and thinking of it as a terrible situation doesn’t help anybody. It took me many years and several attempts to get off the streets, off the drugs but I kept on going until I achieved it. I was never ‘happy’ with the situation but my inner happiness which depends on nothing outside of me ensures that I am happy, truly happy, no matter what my circumstances are so when I’ve been homeless I have simply accepted that I am homeless just now and I would make the best of it.
I might also take a rest. The conversations have been so helpful to me. The posts I started were to help me. I don’t always talk like that but that part was for me so I needed to talk openly. Everybody who contributed helped me more than they will probably ever know.
I do know the universal laws. For whatever reason (I don’t try and work it out anymore) I was born with a connection to my spiritual self and the universe and I had no connection to my body. I’ve had to learn how to be human and although I’ve always got what I wanted in life, living in a world where nobody speaks your language (as many people with autism can relate to) is not always easy. However, my diagnosis changed all that and the recent conversations, although they didn’t end so well, have given me the confidence and the go ahead to be me. Not just as an autistic person but who I am, living on this different dimension, as well.
You’ve got a book to write anyway, we’re all waiting for it to hit the shelves so we can get our copies
Perhaps you could start a post telling us about the Universal Laws of Einstein, so we can understand them too?
I wouldn’t dare, I’ve already been accused of being a witch who has magic powers and who thinks that all the people who aren’t witches are rubbish. I wouldn’t dare talk about them on here. I already feel as if I’ve been burned at the stake, hung drawn and quartered. I no longer feel safe. I built up a good level of trust and support on this site, over time, enough to make me feel safe, only to be torn down big time so I won’t try that again. I just wrote a post about how I think, all be it very basic, but that might explain what you’re asking, in a little way, so I’ll post that.
They’re not ‘Einstein’s’ laws though, anymore than the law of electricity belongs to the person who first discovered it. That person may have discovered it, but the laws of electricity are universal. Electricity is there for any one of us to take advantage of if we learn how it works, or get someone else to learn it and share the benefits with us, such as light, heat, power etc. We still get those things, even though we don’t know how they work, we still enjoy the benefits of the law of electricity even though we don’t understand every fine detail of them. Einstein understood the laws but they are not his.
BlueRay said:Einstein understood the laws but they are not his.
Not quite ~ the laws of (hu)man(ity) come from the 'principle' objects and states of affairs observed and experimented with repeatedly through nature, so Einstein's laws (such as Relativity and Special Relativity) are his as he published on them. There are no laws of nature though, only principles.
So there are the principles of nature, and the laws of (hu)man(ity).
I’m not talking about the laws of relativity. That was only a fraction of his work and what he studied.
Yes, the universe works on principles but the principles work through the law. There has to be a law and that law is universal, not only to mankind but to the whole of the universe which man is not separate from, so it applies to man but not only to man.
BlueRay said:I’m talking about the laws of relativity. That was only a fraction of his work and what he studied.
I only really read a few of Einstein's theories as it goes ~ the relativity and a unified field stuff, at school in physics, and bits and pieces over the years regarding science in general. I was more influenced by Tesla towards the quantum super-positioning, correlation and entanglement related stuff via Bohr, Planck and Schrodinger etcetera ~ what with standard model of physics not quite accounting for what has been found to be going on, and all that involving String and Holofield Theory.
BlueRay said:Yes, the universe works on principles but the principles work through the law. There has to be a law and that law is universal, not only to mankind but to the whole of the universe which man is not separate from, so it applies to man but not only to man.
Not quite again, being that by definition: 'A law is a rule of action that is established by an authority ~ after the constant order of a particular phenomena has been observed or experimented with in nature.' in the scientific context according to the Chambers Dictionary I think it was.
Also from the sociological context according to Wikipedia on: 'Law is a system of rules that are created and enforced through social or governmental institutions to regulate behavior. Law is a system that regulates and ensures that individuals or a community adhere to the will of the state.'
The running theme obviously is that laws are for governing people in their actions or behaviour.
But extending or projecting the notion that laws govern nature is a Roman Masoretic inheritance (not excluding others) involving the miss-transliteration of the five 'Consolidations' (as being pledges or oaths) mentioned by Jesus ~ to become the ten 'commandments' of the Masoretes (formally the Pharisees) rather than so much Moses or Jesus themselves actually therefore.
The Pharisees were really keen on editing out the Feminine from the sacred scrolls, and switching the spiritual for the material and thus the law of man replaced the 'teaching' or 'wisdom' of the wise Goddess about the loving God ~ for the sake of a wrathful god of jealousy and adoration greed.
Essentially in stating that law or laws are universal, you have as the expression goes "Put the Descartes (or the cart) before the horse" ~ as Descartes was infamous for mistaking his black for his white and thinking that because he thought he as such existed, rather than he existed and thereby thought ~ what with objects coming before subjects (in order to be named and identified) and nature (reproduction) coming before nurture (upbringing) and so fourth.
So the principles of nature give rise to the laws of (hu)man(ity) in concrete objective terms.
The description of laws is accurate. However, the natural universal laws and the commandments that Jesus spoke of are irrefutable, they are like the laws of electricity, they are exact and precise. Jesus was wholly against anybody making oaths to anybody, ever. He said to do so, you cut off your connection to your true nature.
This universe could not continue if it was not run by laws. They are what makes a tulip seed into a tulip. They are the laws of cause and effect. This was the bulk of Einstein’s work, little of which was ever published.
As for man made laws, I have never and will never recognise them as little more than guidelines for people who don’t think for themselves, they have no meaning for me. I live by universal laws and because of that, I always get whatever I want in life, whenever I want it and man made laws have never got in my way.