This sums up my kind of love Martian Tom
My love is not kind and gentle like your love. It’s not fair and gives nothing, other than itself. It fierce and unrelenting and it leads me, I don’t lead it.
I don’t know about transcendent love, other than what I learned from you today, but this sums up my love.
Out of curiosity ~ I’ll put it on here because the other thread is pretty long ~ but do people of the conditional love variety, ever wonder about my love. For example, do you see it as something worse, or better (your terms) or is it just a different kind of love to yours, no better, no worse, just different. I suppose I’m asking, do you deny the existence of my world like I do poverty etc? I haven’t got any qualms with your love, now that I understand it, as much as I ever will, I just wonder what you think of my love?
I don't think there's anything 'wrong' with it (your idea of love), I don't think that's for me (or anyone) to judge. It's just different from mine. I don't deny the existence of anything for other people, whatever a person believes is 'real' and exists for them. It just doesn't necessarily exist for me.
Some people believe in ghosts, some believe in god(s), some believe in evil, some believe in all sorts of things that i can't even begin to comprehend and for those people these things are 'real' and exist. For me they just don't exist. I don't spend much time thinking about things that don't exist. Obviously I CAN, if I want to, in a hypothetical way, I just don't choose to very often.
Well I saw a ghost once, having never believed in them, and that was pretty cool! Lol! I don’t believe in evil or different gods but I do understand that people have gods such as money, which I think of as a false god but I understand that’s my perception and it’s very real and far from false to them, and I’m quite sure many people wouldn’t be doing the jobs they were doing etc if money wasn’t their god, so yeah, I can see it’s very real to a lot of people. Just one question, the people who practice conditional love, how the hell do you all figure out who to love and who not to love because you all seem to know the rules? And when did you/do you actually get taught the rules? How could I have missed them?
BlueRay said: I don’t believe in evil or different gods but I do understand that people have gods such as money, which I think of as a false god but I understand that’s my perception and it’s very real and far from false to them, and I’m quite sure many people wouldn’t be doing the jobs they were doing etc if money wasn’t their god, so yeah, I can see it’s very real to a lot of people.
In that you state that you don't believe in evil, do you not know that evil is malevolence or ill will towards or by others in terms of being unkind or cruel?
And in terms of not believing in different gods, God is absolute vibrational being, and gods are lesser vibrational beings ~ which are embodied by the Goddess, as is infinite dimensional and finite formational becomings.
BlueRay said:Just one question, the people who practice conditional love, how the hell do you all figure out who to love and who not to love because you all seem to know the rules?
People who practice conditional love figure out who they love according to who they get on with the most, and find most fascinating or intriguing.
BlueRay said:And when did you/do you actually get taught the rules?
People learn them more or less according to their ability to do so, and by observing others and seeking advice.
BlueRay said:How could I have missed them?
Your emotional abilities may not have been developed enough, or maybe even not as yet adequately facilitated for or romantically enabled, possibly?
How is someone unkind or cruel to another? I don’t understand? I know some people say things are unkind and cruel but I observe people and what one person says is unkind and cruel another doesn’t, so I have no real idea of what is or isn’t unkind or cruel. In my world it doesn’t exist, we have only love and law so I have to learn from you guys and so far nobody has given me the complete plan and rule set of what is unkind and cruel and what isn’t.
I don’t understand the stuff you wrote about god, I understand my god, but it is clearly not shared by others. I see people make things like money their god. I see them devote as much love to their god as I do to mine, to the degree that they even put their own health and sometimes their lives at risk to get more of their god/money, they do jobs they hate because they say they get paid at the end of a week or month, it’s all worth it for the money, so I see that their god is money and I don’t argue with that, it’s just not mine so in my eyes it’s a ‘false’ god but I know it’s very real for other people and other people say my god of infinite unconditional love is a false god, so there’s nothing to argue about, we both actually think the same things, we just have different gods.
WoW ~ there are people I get on with more than others but I find most people fascinating and intriguing so that brings us both nearly in line, but what about the people you don’t get along with or the ones you like the least, how do you learn to un love them? I’ve observed others and sought advice and nobody knows how to answer me and observing people shows no real pattern amongst people, they all seem to have different ideas. Maybe you can tell me, at last. How do you un love the people you don’t like and is it ok to love them and then un love them (when you find out how to do it) once you find out you don’t like them? Because there’s a lot of people in the world and you often don’t know if you’ll enjoy spending time with them until you actually spend time with them, so is it ok to love everyone like I do and then unlove them as and when you come across them? That seems a bit like that evil you were talking about, learning to unlove someone just because you don’t want to hang out with them, but if that’s the way you guys do it, and there’s plenty of you, maybe that is the right way and if so, yes, I can see that evil exists, we make it. I’m starting to understand. And after you’ve unloved them, does that mean you then hate them? I’m starting to understand now where all the hatred comes from, it’s simply what you feel for the ones you don’t love! Ha, it’s starting to make sense. Thank you. It’s just the opppsite of love and that’s why it is so acceptable in your world, because it’s not a bad thing, it’s simply what you do with people you don’t love. That makes sense.
Oh I’ve had/have some amazing romantic relationships, in fact people say they’ve never experienced what I have but that they want to. I have several deep and passionate and totally intoxicating relationships with a few guys around the world who say they love their relationship with me, apparently they fall out and argue with other girlfriends over weird stuff like forgetting birthdays or something or not cleaning the house, but with me they say they don’t argue, obviously, why would I argue with them? That wouldn’t make sense, I love being with them, we have a great time together, even if they or me is sad and going through a hard time, we still have a great time and I go back years with some of these guys, some I’ve known all my life and we’re as good friends now as we were in primary school being naughty, teasing the teachers. But I don’t go in for all that stuff where people say I’ll love you forever, which I think is weird, because of course you will, what else will you do, why would you even think you wouldn’t. It’s itritating to me when people say that because I think of course you’ll love me forever, how could you not? And I don’t like all that possession and control stuff, I’d rather shoot myself than get involved with that kind of carry on. So I do have romantic relationships, they’re just more committed probably than most people’s. Most people seem to swap and change their partners but they are often the ones who actually say the commitment out loud but then don’t stick to it. Maybe they should take it for granted like me and not say it and that way they might keep their committememts. I don’t know, what do I know, I’m trying to learn from you guys.