Love

This sums up my kind of love Former Member 

My love is not kind and gentle like your love. It’s not fair and gives nothing, other than itself. It fierce and unrelenting and it leads me, I don’t lead it. 

I don’t know about transcendent love, other than what I learned from you today, but this sums up my love. 

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  • Thank You for your reply, Miss BlueRay.

    To all who may read, if further interested in "Animal Communication" then have a go at the Links which I posted. I also have an interest in all of this, and began another Thread awhile back... but I leave that for another time to those who understand it, if ever...!

    Concerning especially the middle part of BlueRay's penultimate paragraph... I dare say no more, and I have suggested what I wanted to suggest, and I have received response, and I say that I am grateful for it.

    My work here in this Thread is done.

  • You are very perceptive Dissallowed Cynosure, very perceptive indeed and I both thank you and value your conversation. As you might imagine, I’m not an easy person to talk to so thank you for your patience, I really appreciate it. 

    It’s not possible to turn off unconditional love. Verbal communication and communication via actions, whether they be easy to understand, such as a thumbs up or less obvious forms of bodily communication, are only one form of communication and a very crude one at that. 

    You could say, the whole universe is one big ball of communication. Take your hand for example. How many processes of communication do you think take place for you to move it? 

    Think of radio waves and how they are a form of communication and how they work. 

    We are all in constant communication with everything around us and not around us, constantly, even when we sleep. 

    For the universe to operate so harmoniously as it does, there has to be a universal form of communication. Verbal language is one expression of the universal communication and it’s not like the other forms are different to verbal language, it’s just that verbal language is vibrating at a diffferent frequency and if a person’s capacity to connect with themselves is distracted by thoughts and more precisely, if they’re believing their thoughts, they are effectively blocking out other avenues of communication. It’s not a special gift. Everybody is born with the capacity to communicate in ways other than verbal language. Verbal language is actually a very inferior method of communication not to mention exhausting with so many oppprtunities for misunderstandings.

    With verbal language, you also have to be mindful of its job. For example, words are introduced into society, with specific meanings at very strategic points in history or in our lives. Not all words are used for good. They are a form of control. You can read all about this in a book by a German guy, written in German then translated to English. It’s called plastic words I think. It’s only a small book but it’s not an easy read, but he shows how different words are introduced into societies at certain points in time and what their impact has had. 

    Communicating with animals is not much different to communicating with people although the quality of their communication is different, meaning they don’t complain endlessly like many humans do. 

    You don’t have to gaze at an animal to talk to it. But you are correct, their communication is precise but it’s not complex, not in the least and we don’t talk when we don’t need to. We leave that job to humans, they seem to enjoy it. And don’t be fooled, their communication isn’t blocked at all. They communicate freely whether the world around them are communicating badly or not. 

    There’s nothing really to master about animal communication. If you simply stop listening to your thoughts, you will be able to communicate in a much less complicated manner and you can talk to the animals without effort. Although admittedly, you might need a bit of practice. 

  • Hmmm. Apologies, yet I actually see that you *are* busy just now/then upon another Thread. This is all quite alright, and is the way of things -of "Social Media"...! Whilst in this state, it is not entirely possible to review all of what I meant, and I DO understand that. And, as many may know, I only post for a short time and then I sign off (!). It is late, and so I may do that after this Post.

    Thank You for a Reply. A thing to do with "Animal Communication" is that in general, one carries on as one is built to do so, yet *during actual communication*, one switches off, to "feel unconditional love", to be, alas, vulnerable --- *during actual communication*!

    If you are able to switch "unconditional love" on and off, then it is this:

    - stopping talking in order to hear and to listen

    - stopping moving in order to percieve the movement of another

    - stopping feeling & thinking (!) in order to gain the feelings & thoughts of another (...!)

    ...If all of this, as a human, is able to be done, whilst gazing at "another animal", then that is the start of the sort of thing which I am suggesting. And what I am suggesting is proper Animal Communication... it is just like any other sense (touch, taste, hearing, seeing, smelling)... and it is a very complex thing, not always available, very precise, and very much blocked by common civilisation.

    The links I posted are to those who have mastered it, sort of...! And as I say... Please do not reply in haste, and it is alright to tell me if you are not interested (I was only curious), and I must sign off now because it is quite late.

    Fair Play to you, Madame.

  • Ok, first of all, don’t worry, you didn’t offend me. It’s actualky not possible to be offended by anybody. Nobody has the power to offend anybody. 

    Moving on to your long post. 

    Love is the only thing I understand. I understand it intimately.  It is conditional love that I was struggling to understand but I understand that now. 

    I never adapt myself to meet anybody’s point of view. But when I work with clients, I meet them where they’re at and I use language they can relate to but I do not dilute my approach in the least. 

    Yes, of course I communicate with animals. I also communicate with other objects, or what many people call objects. My car talks to me, my meditation cushion talks to me. Lots of stuff talks to me. I wrote a piece earlier which demonstrates the crudeness, the clumsiness and the baseness of verbal communication and actions. I rarely use these forms of communication. I find them barely efficient at all and rarely use this form of communication with my many friends, around the world. It’s even more basic, than for example, the paper and pen letter compared to an email. 

  • I am done now (!). Please do not reply in haste. I was curious as to this aspect. I posted the links, in some support concerning the "occupation" (Animal Communicator - NOT "behavioural ist") which I suggest. 

    If I offended you, then I apologise. It is a *very* fringe science. 

    (<13Hz.)

  • Greetings to Miss BlueRay. I Posted all of that because I had to do so before it might disappear, as a technical problem with this Forum. Here is the reason for it, as I suggested upon the "Snow has gone" Thread.

    Straight to the point: You often mention "unconditional love", or that "love" is just how you are and do not understand it for yourself...? Apart from this curiousity, I am not interested (sorry!)... yet, you seem to also express that you can *adapt yourself to fit the point-of-view of others*...?

    ...If this is all true, then, from what you post, I myself might identify with this certain quality, which is a very difficult, uncommon, and careful matter. An "Animal Psychic" ("Pet Psychic"). This is *very* different from an "Animal Behavioural Specialist", who simply observes what they know an animal/pet to behave, yet does not actually "communicate" with that Animal...

    Bottom line is... An "Animal Psychic" is able to shut off everything else and feel "unconditional love" in order to "hear/feel/see" an animal in order to "communicate" correctly with them!
    The reason I suggest this at yourself is that you seem to have that ability, yet have not had this "disallowed" aspect suggested at yourself yet...?

  • ...Hah. I see this... please be patient... I am typing a longer reply!

  • How is someone unkind or cruel to another? I don’t understand? I know some people say things are unkind and cruel but I observe people and what one person says is unkind and cruel another doesn’t, so I have no real idea of what is or isn’t unkind or cruel. In my world it doesn’t exist, we have only love and law so I have to learn from you guys and so far nobody has given me the complete plan and rule set of what is unkind and cruel and what isn’t. 

    I don’t understand the stuff you wrote about god, I understand my god, but it is clearly not shared by others. I see people make things like money their god. I see them devote as much love to their god as I do to mine, to the degree that they even put their own health and sometimes their lives at risk to get more of their god/money, they do jobs they hate because they say they get paid at the end of a week or month, it’s all worth it for the money, so I see that their god is money and I don’t argue with that, it’s just not mine so in my eyes it’s a ‘false’ god but I know it’s very real for other people and other people say my god of infinite unconditional love is a false god, so there’s nothing to argue about, we both actually think the same things, we just have different gods. 

    WoW ~ there are people I get on with more than others but I find most people fascinating and intriguing so that brings us both nearly in line, but what about the people you don’t get along with or the ones you like the least, how do you learn to un love them? I’ve observed others and sought advice and nobody knows how to answer me and observing people shows no real pattern amongst people, they all seem to have different ideas. Maybe you can tell me, at last. How do you un love the people you don’t like and is it ok to love them and then un love them (when you find out how to do it) once you find out you don’t like them? Because there’s a lot of people in the world and you often don’t know if you’ll enjoy spending time with them until you actually spend time with them, so is it ok to love everyone like I do and then unlove them as and when you come across them? That seems a bit like that evil you were talking about, learning to unlove someone just because you don’t want to hang out with them, but if that’s the way you guys do it, and there’s plenty of you, maybe that is the right way and if so, yes, I can see that evil exists, we make it. I’m starting to understand. And after you’ve unloved them, does that mean you then hate them? I’m starting to understand now where all the hatred comes from, it’s simply what you feel for the ones you don’t love! Ha, it’s starting to make sense. Thank you. It’s just the opppsite of love and that’s why it is so acceptable in your world, because it’s not a bad thing, it’s simply what you do with people you don’t love. That makes sense. 

    Oh I’ve had/have some amazing romantic relationships, in fact people say they’ve never experienced what I have but that they want to. I have several deep and passionate and totally intoxicating relationships with a few guys around the world who say they love their relationship with me, apparently they fall out and argue with other girlfriends over weird stuff like forgetting birthdays or something or not cleaning the house, but with me they say they don’t argue, obviously, why would I argue with them? That wouldn’t make sense, I love being with them, we have a great time together, even if they or me is sad and going through a hard time, we still have a great time and I go back years with some of these guys, some I’ve known all my life and we’re as good friends now as we were in primary school being naughty, teasing the teachers. But I don’t go in for all that stuff where people say I’ll love you forever, which I think is weird, because of course you will, what else will you do, why would you even think you wouldn’t. It’s itritating to me when people say that because I think of course you’ll love me forever, how could you not? And I don’t like all that possession and control stuff, I’d rather shoot myself than get involved with that kind of carry on. So I do have romantic relationships, they’re just more committed probably than most people’s. Most people  seem to swap and change their partners but they are often the ones  who actually say the commitment out loud but then don’t stick to it. Maybe they should take it for granted like me and not say it and that way they might keep their committememts. I don’t know, what do I know, I’m trying to learn from you guys. 

  • I don’t know how not to love somebody. What I want to know is how do you un-love somebody? And how do you know who to un-love and when? And what has love got to do with feelings?  And yes, I’ve been told that all my life, that I ask difficult questions. Lol! Everywhere I go infact, even in the supermarket not long ago, the guy said to me ‘nobody has ever asked me that question before’ ~ I get this ‘all’ the time! Lol! Which further supports my (and yours, everyone’s) assumption, that I know nothing and I know so little that people can’t even begin to answer my questions, like I don’t even know enough to even begin to understand the answers so people don’t even bother telling me, they don’t want to waste their time when they know I won’t understand anyway. By the time I had reached the end of my school I resigned myself to the fact that I knew nothing. At probably my last meeting at school with my parents, the school actually wanted to send me to a psychiatrist, I thought they were going to lock me up in the hospital like they did my aunty, because they said I did what I wanted. I was terrified because they wouldn’t tell me who I should follow, who I should listen to to find out what to do and when do I get the instructions. It was terrifying, they wouldn’t tell me anything. Less than two years after that, I was locked up, but it wasn’t in a hospital, it was in a prison. I was so lost in the world. I knew I wasn’t supposed to do what I wanted but nobody else would tell me what to do. They might tell me things what not to do but that was hardly the big picture, they only told me a few things, so I was really lost. I still know that I don’t know anything, not in your world anyway, but I decided that I would do what I wanted anyway, even though I know it’s wrong, but I figured that it’s only wrong if I live in your world and I don’t, nobody seems to be able to help me with that, my questions are too hard etc, so I just live in my world where wrong doesn’t even exist, and I can love everyone!  So I know I’m wrong in your world but in my world I’m far from wrong, we don’t even know what that is. People in your world tell me I’m wrong, I’m deluded, I’m mad, I’m stupid, I don’t know anything, I haven’t got a heart. Some of these things I can agree with, I don’t know anything for example, that’s true but I have got a heart, I don’t know why people say that to me. Again, all my life they’ve said that to me. My dad and brother even said I was going to be found dead on a motel room floor, brutally murdered, because of how I speak to people and that I’ll never have any friends (I didn’t know what a f*****g friend was to be fair, but it seemed important so I was still upset that I’d never have one, which obviously is stupid, so maybe I am stupid). I sometimes feel like I’m going mad and maybe I am mad and deluded and it’s not real but my world feels real to me and when I’m with the trees and grass and rain and snow and definitely the cold and the wind, my world totally feels real and it’s so beautiful, I don’t need to know anything, I’ve even got my grandkids talking to the trees now, lol! So maybe I am all of the things people say about me. Tom said I was deluded, lots of people do. Maybe I am all the things people say I am, even the thing about not having a heart because it’s true, I can’t  say I love somebody more than somebody else just because they do something for me so maybe I haven’t got a heart and maybe what I have to give is of no value to anybody else but people do come to me and ask me to help them and I do and it seems to make me look normal and people leave me alone so maybe my life is nothing and I  live in a stupid deluded world. I have said I’m like the village idiot and back in the day no doubts that’s  what I would have been and people say no, you’re not the village idiot (again I’m wrong, when that’s how I do see myself) but again we’re at odds, I don’t see anything wrong with the village idiot, he was accepted then, he was one of them, just different, without all the extra things like no heart etc, so it would be a step up for me. But when I’m alone, I don’t feel like my world isn’t real and I feel so happy in a way that other people say doesn’t exist but it exists to me and the alternative, trying to ignore my world, my love and to try to fit in with everyone else just sends me to suicide. I fantasise about how wonderful it would feel to have a car hit my body full on and smash it up, the impact would feel so good, it’s like I want the image to go in slow motion so I don’t miss any of it and then, I go back home, back to the nothingness and everythingness from where I came, no longer with this silly separation where I have to pretend to be these different people/roles, I just melt back into oblivion, I lose all this so called identity and dissolve back into one, without this body, which I’m grateful for, but I think they dropped me in the wrong world to be honest, because everyone keeps on telling me so, they say I’m wrong. So maybe I am but what can I do? I tried, I asked questions, and now I don’t even want to try, I don’t want to leave my world ever again, so I live in your world as me, and just accept, I know nothing, I am nobody, I don’t know the rules of the game but if I can keep my mouth shut and keep away from people, I won’t p***s them off and I don’t have to stay away from all people, I don’t seem to upset people at Buddhist centres, meditation centre and ashrams (although you can fortunately, be totally silent at these places and sometimes everybody is) and churches, although I do usually upset people at churches too, that’s why Quaker’s is good for me but even there I started answering people back (one man anyway) in the silent hour when you’re only supposed to speak if your moved by god! Lol! So I haven’t been to Quaker’s for a while either although me and the man did become good friends. So I do have friends and they never end (apart from those who simply disappear out of my life without word) they just don’t look like the normal types of friendships where people phone each other up and see each other a lot and stuff like that, and they don’t think I’m stupid or delusional, they just say ‘oh, that’s just BlueRay’ and they don’t try to make me do things differently.


  • I don’t believe in evil or different gods but I do understand that people have gods such as money, which I think of as a false god but I understand that’s my perception and it’s very real and far from false to them, and I’m quite sure many people wouldn’t be doing the jobs they were doing etc if money wasn’t their god, so yeah, I can see it’s very real to a lot of people.

    In that you state that you don't believe in evil, do you not know that evil is malevolence or ill will towards or by others in terms of being unkind or cruel?

    And in terms of not believing in different gods, God is absolute vibrational being, and gods are lesser vibrational beings ~ which are embodied by the Goddess, as is infinite dimensional and finite formational becomings.


    Just one question, the people who practice conditional love, how the hell do you all figure out who to love and who not to love because you all seem to know the rules?

    People who practice conditional love figure out who they love according to who they get on with the most, and find most fascinating or intriguing.


    And when did you/do you actually get taught the rules?

    People learn them more or less according to their ability to do so, and by observing others and seeking advice.


    How could I have missed them? 

    Your emotional abilities may not have been developed enough, or maybe even not as yet adequately facilitated for or romantically enabled, possibly?


  • When did I (because I can only speak for myself on this) get taught the rules of love? PHEW!

    BlueRay you do ask some difficult questions! 

    Maybe it was a process of elimination, every time I got burnt I decided "Well, Hell! THAT'S not a good feeling so THAT clearly isn't the 'Love' I keep hearing about!

  • OMG it’s almost like it’s overwhelming but it’s not overwhelming in the least. It’s hard to describe. It’s nothing like the love of romantic relationships, it’s not kind or gentle and it’s unforgiving but it’s also more beautiful than anything you could ever possibly imagine. You’re body will actually go into an amazing full body explosive orgasm when you spend any extended length of time with it but it’s way beyond anything as trivial as sexual energy, or that’s what a merely physical/emotional sexual experience feels like (trivial) compared to this. You’re rarely ever not smiling, how could you not smile, it’s like the love is bursting out of you and shinning on whoever is near you. It’s easy to recognise when your caught in a thought pattern because you become aware that you’re not smiling, that this inner joy has stopped dancing. When you realise that you realise you were simply engrossed in a story your mind or thoughts were telling you and you come back to peace. But peace isn’t the gentle silence you might imagine it to be. Peace is so huge and so big that it could never be gentle. It’s alive and vibrant, it’s quiet, it’s laughter, its joy, it’s all of those things, and more. And the great thing is, it will never leave you. Not Ever. Even the most trustworthy of partners is human and therefore always at risk of committing any one of our daily human failures, they could never be relied upon like the love that is you, that is inside of you, outside of you, it’s everywhere, in every face you see, in every drop of dew on every blade of grass. There is not a place a person can look where he won’t find love. It’s not possible to look into the eyes of another and not see love. No one is deprived of this love. It is in every single human being that has life and when you are connected to it within you, you are instantly connected to it in every other living soul, every animal, every rose, every tree, it’s in the air, in the rain, the snow and sunshine. It’s everywhere. But it comes with a price. People can’t cope with you, not for any decent length of time. They’re not used to someone so happy, they think you’re not good for them. They’re fascinated with you and even if they hate you behind your back, they rarely feel that way about you when you’re in their company, but you are always a bit to much for people. But that’s ok, especially if you’re an aspie, because people are too much for me for extended periods of time. So it’s a good match for me. It’s esquisite and it’s not that you think, now I love everyone, you don’t think at all, you go beyond words and beyond experience in many ways, you are simply at one with everything, you can’t not love everyone and everything. And nothing about it feels wrong. 

  • It’s a deep burning passion deep within that is bigger than life itself.

    Blimey. Relaxed

  • Sort of I suppose. I love all people deeply but I have a superficial kind of love which you could call conditional love for people such as my son or friends but that love isn’t real, it’s not something I feel deeply and passionately, it’s more of a like. For example, I love/like my son because he makes me laugh, the same with my sister. I like anybody in fact who makes me laugh. But I don’t love these people any more than I love anybody else, it’s just that they meet a need in me to laugh and I love laughing so I might say I love them, in a superficial sense, because they make me laugh. If you can make me laugh I’ll be your friend for life :-D

  • It’s funny, the more people I meet, the more people I love and the more my eyes and heart are opened up. I find people so incredibly interesting, especially autistic people, they blow my mind with their diversity. I talk mainly to whoever I come across in my day, at the shops, on the beach, wherever, and I am endlessly surprised by the fascinating lives that people lead. Even the most ordinary of lives, in fact, the most ordinary and simple the life, the more fascinating I find them. Truly, people blow my mind and that’s where I get most of my learning and how I find things out. For example, what’s the best chippy in this town or WoW how did you achieve that? I love people, I just don’t like a lot of them all together and I like lots of time alone in between my meetings with them. But definitely, the more I meet the more I love.