Deepthought said:Milton does not suggest that non-autistic people are less capable of developing an understanding of autism than vice versa; as he points out, it is simply that autistic people have no choice but to try to develop an understanding of society if they are to ‘survive and potentially thrive’ whereas no such imperative applies in the opposite direction (Milton 2012).
The thing that makes me smile here, is Milton's and other's hypothesis that there is no imperative for non-autistic people to use an Autistic Theory-of-Mind (or AToM) ~ with my amusement arising from the fact that non-autistic and autistic parents have been having and raising autistic children for thousands of years now, and the use of an AToM or a Divergent Theory of Mind (DToM) has remained historically concurrent in all cultures and societies, therefore.
Also, societal ToM models that involve 'surviving and potentially thriving' ideologies featuring 'imperatives' are proving currently to be more and more unreliable, whereas when we live as we actually are ~ we thereby facilitate our life as it actually is in the dependable and reliable sense.
Don’t you find it a very blunt instrument of judgement though?
ElephantInTheRoom said:Don’t you find it a very blunt instrument of judgement though?
If judgement is employed the blunt instrument factor can very much become the case, yes. How do you imagine its application to be like a blunt instrument in the above respect?
As a fan of Rousseau....surely we were all born equal and questioning the world and our place in it or equal footing....but I feel uncomfortable with categorisation of ND and NT and not just people......said the self diagnosed freak on the NAS forum! Lol
whose judgement of the world is more real or valid?...it is the variation of interpretation that gives us our humanity.
ElephantInTheRoom said:but I feel uncomfortable with categorisation of ND and NT and not just people......said the self diagnosed freak on the NAS forum!
Yep, me too. Diagnosis or not, think I still have plenty in common with "NT" people - two ears, ten fingers... Well, other stuff too. I'm also not keen to define myself via a diagnosis, I'd rather tell people what I'm good at and where they need to help me a bit or be a bit more patient. The only problem is that they then say that's just normal and everybody needs/is like that, until it actually comes to the situation and suddenly it's not seen as quite so normal anymore.
I'll define myself by my diagnosis if I need to - and I seem to need to an awful lot. I'm sick and tired of being told 'That's not autism... we all do that', when, for instance, I'm talking about my preference for lone activities. People generally find that their conception of lone activities (a few hours by themselves watching the football) is far removed from my conception: a whole weekend indoors, alone, with no human contact except via the internet. I find myself increasingly having less and less in common with NTs. The older I get, the more I see, the more at odds with society I feel. And then I get told 'it's a generational thing.' Okay. Always got to be a reason that accords with NT perspectives...
Similar here. Only human contact in last three days has been, a couple of text messages, some tweets, cashiers in shops.
Otherwise internet 'social' sites,. This one, photography and trip advisor.
Rest of time spent watching tv, Buffy DVDs and filling out forms.
And, in my case, consuming several whiskies...
Haven't touched alcohol since Feb 2016, when I fell out with the few people I socialised with in club.
My inappropriate/unusual/autistic way of speaking alienated them.
I still do that, though less frequently than of yore. My way of speaking to them is inappropriate to them. So be it. They can think what they like, because they certainly seem to like what they think.
Alcohol provides that conduit. It enables me to say what I couldn't otherwise say. And it can be cathartic more times than it can be embarrassing. If people take offence... it's up to them. I don't deliberately set out to offend. I simply speak my mind. The day will come when I'll have the confidence to do that sober... but not just yet.
Most of the time my speech is 'normal', but occasionally I speak in a roundabout way, the opposite of what I mean and play the devil's advocate and other people just don't get me. I am sober while I speak like this. They consider me a weirdo and avoid me.
ElephantInTheRoom said:As a fan of Rousseau....surely we were all born equal and questioning the world and our place in it or equal footing....but I feel uncomfortable with categorisation of ND and NT and not just people......said the self diagnosed freak on the NAS forum! Lol
I use the terms NT and ND etcetera as functional descriptives, or behavioural references, rather than as references involving lesser or greater values of worth.
ElephantInTheRoom said:whose judgement of the world is more real or valid?
In the legal sense, a judgement can only be made once all the evidence has been accumulated, addressed and excluding cataclysms ~ the world has a fair few million years left on the clock yet! ;-)
ElephantInTheRoom said:...it is the variation of interpretation that gives us our humanity.
Or perhaps it is our humanity that gives us our interpretative variations? ~ Cause preceding effect and so fourth?