just want to know how does legal justice deal with someone with autism. say someone with autism had commited a crime because they were very traumatised and depressed. will they still get send to prison or will there be other treatment for them?
That really is just awful. I hate that, as a subset of the disability community, we are so especially vulnerable to unjust accusations and then left to suffer the consequences on our own (and at our own cost).
I'm at home at the moment due to ill health so hopefully I'll see you around these forums a bit more. Maybe you could add an avatar and username to your Profile? So many "NAS<random number>" types knocking about. Take good care. Xx
then that's just givng depression to someone with autism if they dont have a freepass on anything. that's just like verbally torturing someone with autism. well if they were behaving like a child as an adult, that should be a freepass. people with autsim sometimes does developed until the age of a kid. but if they hurt themself or other because of the unfairness or distress, then make things fair or reduce the distress by do what they want. not what the society want.
about insulting, well i am being insulted by the society like that. having autism is not freepass to be a child.
and for pushing, why is it unacceptable if that was someone attacking you. like if you just push someone for no reason (especially against the elderly) then that's not acceptable. like i even seen a 10 years old were attacking that man and when that man push him away and he just fell on the ground with no injuries, that man didnt get arested for that. i know when it come to self defense, is not about age is about using right force. well everyone of any age has the right to self defense physically from the attacker of any age.
base on this quote "Well autism is not a free pass for 'anything' in that it it requires 'special' or 'particular' consideration regarding 'social interaction and communication difficulties', ", then that's even a big torture to them. why do they need to be slaved to be interacting like other. why cant they interact the way they interact with other. autism should be another world for them to be comfortable. well i take autism as a freepass on anything as long as everyone is safe.
Adrian, I understand the temptation to lash out, you must be very frustrated with all of these things going on that you have no control over, but please, PLEASE DO NOT DO IT. The last thing you need on top of the troubles you already have is the criminal justice system interfering with your life. Your current situation will seem like a cakewalk compared to the hoops you'll be forced to jump through after a conviction. And on top of that, as others have said, people are naturally protective of their children. They're going to be a lot more cautions of allowing you around their children if they think there's a chance you could become violent.
well i'm not violent. i never got violent with these children i play with. lots of these children parent thinks i'm very good with children. why would i be violent to someone who is nice to me and share interest like me. i always play lots of fun toys and make up story with children so as other autistic people of all age.
and well i never commit crimes. i never experince being in trouble with the police. well that is true that in the past, i was bullied by other physically but all i did was just push them away in a safe place as a way to protect myself with a right level of force.
what age is the criminal responsability of age? and over what age can be charge with assaulting other in the street?
Autistic Adrian said:base on this quote "Well autism is not a free pass for 'anything' in that it it requires 'special' or 'particular' consideration regarding 'social interaction and communication difficulties', ", then that's even a big torture to them. why do they need to be slaved to be interacting like other. why cant they interact the way they interact with other. autism should be another world for them to be comfortable. well i take autism as a freepass on anything as long as everyone is safe.
Unfortunately you have misquoted and misunderstood me ~ being that I stated:
Deepthought said:Well autism is not a free pass for 'anything' in that it it requires 'special' or 'particular' consideration regarding 'social interaction, imagination and communication difficulties', and of course 'overindulging' in anything is problematic as every behavior or activity requires to be moderated in a reasonable law abiding way.
Meaning that it is not an even greater ‘torture’ for you or anyone else with autism, but that more ‘consideration’ is required from non-autistic people about autistic people’s social interaction, communication and imagination difficulties ~ as according to the 2010 Equality Act involving reasonable adjustments.
Being that autistic people’s emotional development can tend to be about half that of their mental and physical age, it may be that your emotional and mental development is in part being well done by way of playing Disney and fairytale games as you do with those younger children ~ providing of course their parents continue to approve as responsible adults that watch over you too.
Responsible adult / parental observation is important in this respect given that although you are coming to the end of your teenage years physically ~ you are perhaps just starting to become a teenager mentally and emotionally.
As such then your parents and therapist and other parents have to be aware of this ~ given that most people start having sexual drives during their teenage years, and this is so for most whether they are late developers or not. Hence your therapist is working with you to help you engage with people who are of a similar physical age ~ in order to allow for such developments to occur if they are going to, and in order to prevent you from getting into possibly very serious difficulties if they occur with children who are not then sixteen.
This way of doing things is a natural order of society that everybody must live with and must follow as a essential routine. Just because you may never get into problems with the law regarding interactions with children involving your special interests in Disney characters and fairytale themed games, people cannot get used to letting their guard down because you are lovely and mean no harm whatsoever. There are too many people who accidentally get involved with or purposefully take advantage of vulnerable children and adults, and your safety as much as everyone else’s is really, really important. Keep this very much in mind ~ your safety is as much important as anyone else’s.
Perhaps then discuss with your therapist that it is reasonable that you share your special interest with children when their parents permit you do so, and in terms of having interactions with people that are of a similar age to yourself and in fact much older ~ you are doing so here, which at very least should be reasonable to your therapist and worth as such you being congratulated upon.
It should though in my opinion be considered unreasonable to entirely stop you from interacting with children who enjoy your imaginative company and whose parents appreciate it also, so maybe as such check that you have not misunderstood the request made of you by your therapist, and clarify that what she has asked of your involves that you need to have and develop more mature friendships as a balance also ~ as time goes on little by little and bit by bit. It is unreasonable to ask you to just stop living your life as you have been, and yet more unreasonable to expect you to start living a life that you are not yet ready for.
It might help for instance if you ask your therapist to write out for you what the treatment plan for you actually is; so that you may better understand it, and if she is discriminating against you unawares ~ you can seek further guidance from the NAS or any other Autistic advisory service, or else even get in touch with an advocacy service to act on your behalf to help your therapist to help you more, or to find one better suited to helping you.
Autistic Adrian said:what age is the criminal responsability of age? and over what age can be charge with assaulting other in the street?
"The age of criminal responsibility in England and Wales is 10 years old. This means that children under 10 can't be arrested or charged with a crime. ... Children between 10 and 17 can be arrested and taken to court if they commit a crime."
The age of criminal responsibility is covered by Section 52 of the Children Act 2001 as amended by Section 129 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006. This came into effect in October 2006, raising the age of criminal responsibility from 7 years of age to 12 years of age. This means that children who have not reached the age of 12 years cannot be charged with an offence. There is an exception, however, for children aged 10 or 11 who can be charged with murder, manslaughter, rape or aggravated sexual assault. In addition, where a child under 14 years of age is charged with an offence, no further proceedings can be taken without the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Although the 2001 Act in general prohibits children under 12 years of age from being charged and convicted of a criminal offence, they do not enjoy total immunity from action being taken against them. Section 53 of the Act as amended by Section 130 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 places an onus on the Gardai to take a child under 12 years of age to his/her parents or guardian, where they have reasonable grounds for believing that the child has committed an offence with which the child cannot be charged due to the child’s age. Where this is not possible the Gardai will arrange for the child to be taken into the custody of the Child and Family Agency (Tusla) for the area in which the child normally resides. It is possible that children under 12 years of age who commit criminal offences will be dealt with by Tusla and not the criminal justice system.
And for charges of assault in Norther Ireland:
based on this quote "this way of doing things is a natural order of society that everybody must live with and must follow as a essential routine. Just because you may never get into problems with the law regarding interactions with children involving your special interests in Disney characters and fairytale themed games, people cannot get used to letting their guard down because you are lovely and mean no harm whatsoever. There are too many people who accidentally get involved with or purposefully take advantage of vulnerable children and adults, and your safety as much as everyone else’s is really, really important. Keep this very much in mind ~ your safety is as much important as anyone else’s." what does that mean?